Oils and Atomizers

[Idahojo]

Idaho--your ingredient list says "oil of peppermint" --so that means oil--Do you really want to play with the oil after reading all of our posts telling you to the contrary and that we would not do it??--Hope that helps--Sun

I just didn't know if the oil in extract is the same as all the other stuff I'm reading about. Plus I was wondering if the alcohol in it changed the oil. Your brain gets mangled with all the info and opinions. I think I'll just stick to the premade stuff. I'm not interested in all the flavors, just the minty ones. Thanks for the advice.

[exogenesis]

Good, can we see the wider 'oil' picture ?
(some) e-liquids have been tested for chemical makeup,
from the point of view of showing only low amounts of chemical that
might be dodgy for health.

I've yet to see any non-annecdotal review of effect of various liquids
(PG, VG, flavours, colourings, 'sugars', oils etc etc) on the life expectancy
of vapourizers).

Seems to me that 'oil-type' flavours may well contain the worst amount
of residue on the coil after heat evaporation (mainly due to amount of oil
present compared to sugar solutions).

If you add say 10% of an oil flavour to an e-liquid, you may be doubling
the amount of oil (lquid has tobacco leaf oil <5%, tobacco leaf oil < 5%),
- but who actually knows if this will halve you atomizer's life?

[Sun Vaporer]

I just didn't know if the oil in extract is the same as all the other stuff I'm reading about. Plus I was wondering if the alcohol in it changed the oil. Your brain gets mangled with all the info and opinions. I think I'll just stick to the premade stuff. I'm not interested in all the flavors, just the minty ones. Thanks for the advice.

Idaho--You are welcome. Oil is Oil--and it is not not going anywhere. Believe me, I would love to fire up some of these oil based (wintergreen, Peppermint, etc)--but I am not going to do that at the cost of health and equitment.

[Kate]

You might be interested in menthol crystals Jo - Menthol crystals

[Kate]

... I've yet to see any non-annecdotal review of effect of various liquids (PG, VG, flavours, colourings, 'sugars', oils etc etc) on the life expectancy of vapourizers)...

You might need to use Google translate with this but here is a very good example of the different residues different brands can leave. Apparently .......... fruit flavour eliquids left a lot more residue than non-fruit flavours.

Ampullen en Liquid testje - *E-Cigtest, the ultimate electronic cigarettes review site* Le site de la cigarette électronique

(Pictures of the residue can be seen if you scroll down to the photos of the spoons.)

[scrubadub]

I doubt it Scrub. My guess is that commercial eliquid uses trace amounts in tobacco flavours. Some food flavours are also extracted as oils but are then put into a base of propylene glycol, alcohol or water. The poison could well be in the dose?

Ah ok. Would be interesting to know how much oil is in these things. My TW liquid lists tobacco essential <5% and tobaco leaf oil <5% so that could mean there's somewhere between 9-10% oil in there. That sounds like more than trace to me. Then again it could well be .0001% oil and they just thought it sounded better

[Kate]

That does sound like a lot of oil, I've no idea what's acceptable (they probably haven't either ).

[surbitonPete]

The atomizer doesn't seem to reach enough temperature to vaporize the tobacco leaf oil part of the liquid ....it seems to be the 'oil' that builds up and needs washing out...as I said earlier try setting fire to a little piece of cart material soaked in liquid ....the oil is left behind when the fire goes out.

[exogenesis]

...here is a very good example of the different residues different brands can leave...

Thanks for that Kate,
can definately see there's far less with residue with nicotine 0 mg e-liquid.

Some of the pictures of residues are quite startling, esp. the 'Sedansa Tobacco Liquid' = loads of dark brown goo.

Also he points out major differences with the interaction of the drying goo with the metal,
which is an aspect I had not thought of, perhaps there are other factors about this that affect atomizers as well.

Makes me think about buying several atomizers & actually test them on a rigged-up continuous drip/evaporate bench,
to see which of oils/sugars/liquid-strength/colours would kill them first - might save me money in the long run
(assuming we have a long run left).

[ZambucaLu]

You might need to use Google translate with this but here is a very good example of the different residues different brands can leave. Apparently .......... fruit flavour eliquids left a lot more residue than non-fruit flavours.

Ampullen en Liquid testje - *E-Cigtest, the ultimate electronic cigarettes review site* Le site de la cigarette électronique

(Pictures of the residue can be seen if you scroll down to the photos of the spoons.)

Kate, do you remember that pic of the atomizer that showed that even though it had been cleaned, there was buildup that pretty much could not be removed, no matter what? That pic always stuck in my mind and personally, I could not fathom adding oil (and/or sugar....imagine that combo!) to this already existing problem and thinking it could somehow be "okay" for the atomizer.

That was a great pic!

Lu