Do you like money? Why everyone *should* DIY.

[Nuck]

Sure... the less you cut it, the more you'll spend. It's still savings though It also helps your supply last longer... which nowadays seems important since it's such a bitch to get stuff through customs in a timely manner.

No sh.it. I'm stocking juice like it's the apocalypse.

[Walrus]

I so love and enjoy all that you do with your recipies here, but it's just all too much for me. I like it simple. LOL

Simple is good. Cheap is better It really isn't complicated, and only takes minutes to do. You'll come around eventually

[Nuck]

I almost forgot to add..I should have everything this week if customs doesn't burn me and then I'll be all over your recipes. Keep em coming!

[LuckySevens4U]

Simple is good. Cheap is better It really isn't complicated, and only takes minutes to do. You'll come around eventually

Okay I'll come around, show me how to get say 8 mg liquid out of TW's Menthol and have it stretched to save money without losing too much flavor. It's so strong, I can lose some. I just can't figure out the damn math. So how can I save $$ simply by doing the above?

[Walrus]

Okay I'll come around, show me how to get say 8 mg liquid out of TW's Menthol and have it stretched to save money without losing too much flavor. It's so strong, I can lose some. I just can't figure out the damn math. So how can I save $$ simply by doing the above?

You'd use roughly 25% of the 36mg Menthol juice, and 75% of something else. I wouldn't go 75% glycerine, it would be too thick. Maybe 25% menthol juice, 35% PG, and 40% glycerine. I'm not sure how the flavor would hold up being diluted that much though. I'll try it, and let you know.

If it works, you'd be cutting your cost per bottle down 75%. Each 1 oz would cost around $8 instead of $30.

[exogenesis]

If you're diluting 36mg TW liquid to 18mg by adding an equal amount of PG, then the cost has aprroximately halved.
If you're vaping 0mg I agree with your math, but how many do?
Would be an interesting poll to see how many do.

Give the suppliers a bit of a break here...

I suspect a lot of the cost is in packaging & handling,
realistically the the ready-made 'my favourite' strength/flavour is simply extra cost for convenience.

And really, how long would it take you to vape a gallon ?
and how much for say 18mg, would you have saved in that time over real ciggies with off the shelf liquids versus DIY ?
Having said that, I buy 36 & cut & flavour myself - except TW 24mg cherry - mmm must get some more.

OK, doing the math myself (and working in UK quids), assuming a previously 20/day smoker
(and not including flavours, or hardware costs - like replacement atomizers):

Vaping approx 2ml a day, tops?
so 'off shelf' liquid = £1.33/day - saving £3.67/day
and DIY = £0.67/day - saving £4.34/day

In the long run you save quite a bit, probably, but what price convenience?

And at that vaping rate, 1 gall would last 6 years

[LuckySevens4U]

You'd use roughly 25% of the 36mg Menthol juice, and 75% of something else. I wouldn't go 75% glycerine, it would be too thick. Maybe 25% menthol juice, 35% PG, and 40% glycerine. I'm not sure how the flavor would hold up being diluted that much though. I'll try it, and let you know.

If it works, you'd be cutting your cost per bottle down 75%. Each 1 oz would cost you $7.50 instead of $30.

Okay make me a potion Mr. Magician. LOLOLOLOL

[rsngfrce]

Okay I'll come around, show me how to get say 8 mg liquid out of TW's Menthol and have it stretched to save money without losing too much flavor. It's so strong, I can lose some. I just can't figure out the damn math. So how can I save $$ simply by doing the above?

Jaaxx's Hack-O-Matic is your friend! Hack-O-Matic E-Liquid Calculator If you start with TW 11mg liquid and add 20% PG and/or VG, you will end up with 8.8mg liquid. 20% isn't a huge savings but a savings none the less and it also will increase your vapor. If the flavor is strong enough, you could try going up to TW 18mg liquid (45%) and increase the PG and/or VG to 55% which would give you 8.1mg liquid. I would expect that would decrease the flavor too much myself. 20% PG/VG to my Cash Cola flavor tastes fine and produces much better vapor!

And by the way, if you really want to end up with as close to 8mg as possible, you can use the Hack-O-Matic to determine it would be 73% 11mg liquid to 27% PG/VG for 8.03mg resulting liquid... might be good proportions for a strong flavor!

[Walrus]

If you're diluting 36mg TW liquid to 18mg by adding an equal amount of PG, then the cost has aprroximately halved.
If you're vaping 0mg I agree with your math, but how many do?
Would be an interesting poll to see how many do.

Give the suppliers a bit of a break here...

I suspect a lot of the cost is in packaging & handling,
realistically the the ready-made 'my favourite' strength/flavour is simply extra cost for convenience.

And really, how long would it take you to vape a gallon ?
and how much for say 18mg, would you have saved in that time over real ciggies with off the shelf liquids versus DIY ?
Having said that, I buy 36 & cut & flavour myself - except TW 24mg cherry - mmm must get some more.

OK, doing the math myself (and working in UK quids), assuming a previously 20/day smoker
(and not including flavours, or hardware costs - like replacement atomizers):

Vaping approx 2ml a day, tops?
so 'off shelf' liquid = £1.33/day - saving £3.67/day
and DIY = £0.67/day - saving £4.34/day

In the long run you save quite a bit, probably, but what price convenience?

And at that vaping rate, 1 gall would last 6 years

I think you missed the point of this post completely. My main example was 0-nic because it's a decent base to work from. I could have done complete tables based on every known nic strength, but felt most folks here could sub their numbers in there and do the math.

I also don't recall 'blaming' vendors or giving them any heat at all. I specifically said TW is my favorite. This wasn't about what they charge and whether it is fair or not. It was about making my (your) money go further. If you like what you have great. I like what I have. I like it even more when I spend 1/30th the cost.

What does it matter how long it would take to vape a gallon? That's like arguing (using an analog ...um... analogy) against buying cigarettes by the carton because you can smoke a pack quicker than you can smoke a carton. First off... DUH. Second, I don't (and probably never will) mix an entire gallon at a time. I tend to make half an ounce at a time. My supplies sit in a nice cool, dark cabinet waiting for me to use them. And they are already purchased, for a whole lot less. I compared using gallons because that's the size of the bottle of PG I have is.

What price convenience? It takes me less than 5 minutes to mix up a batch of 18mg, and that doesn't really vary with how much I'm making. If I make a 30ml bottle, it took 5 minutes and will last me more than a week. And that bottle cost me what? $15 or so. I can take 5 minutes to save $15.

Oh... and I do sub a 0 nic fluid once in a while. It holds me over and gives me less nicotine intake. I wouldn't mind getting to where it's all I use... and on that day, 70 cents is going to be a lot nicer than $30.

[exogenesis]

Yeah, I realize you weren't really having a go

but as soon as you move off of 0mg, most of the savings disappear.

Are you vaping 0mg?,
I got the impression your tendency to the Dark Side was stronger young Luke.