Do you like money? Why everyone *should* DIY.

[rsngfrce]

What does it matter how long it would take to vape a gallon?

And being able to make a gallon is gonna be really handy when the FDA bans it...

[LuckySevens4U]

Jaaxx's Hack-O-Matic is your friend! Hack-O-Matic E-Liquid Calculator If you start with TW 11mg liquid and add 20% PG and/or VG, you will end up with 8.8mg liquid. 20% isn't a huge savings but a savings none the less and it also will increase your vapor. If the flavor is strong enough, you could try going up to TW 18mg liquid (45%) and increase the PG and/or VG to 55% which would give you 8.1mg liquid. I would expect that would decrease the flavor too much myself. 20% PG/VG to my Cash Cola flavor tastes fine and produces much better vapor!

And by the way, if you really want to end up with as close to 8mg as possible, you can use the Hack-O-Matic to determine it would be 73% 11mg liquid to 27% PG/VG for 8.03mg resulting liquid... might be good proportions for a strong flavor!

That's pretty much what I've been doing. I use the 11 and put about 3/4 of the TW in and then about 1/4 of PG or VG and I was assuming that was giving me around 8. It does stretch it a little. I was trying see if I bought like 18 and could get it to 8 to save more, but I think it might dilute it too much.

[rsngfrce]

That's pretty much what I've been doing. I use the 11 and put about 3/4 of the TW in and then about 1/4 of PG or VG and I was assuming that was giving me around 8. It does stretch it a little. I was trying see if I bought like 18 and could get it to 8 to save more, but I think it might dilute it too much.

Yeah, as far as the taste, you can only experiment to see how far you can go... you can go farther if you add something like Lorann candy flavoring, but you have to find a complementary flavor and you won't likely end up with the flavor you started with.

[Walrus]

Yeah, I realize you weren't really having a go

but as soon as you move off of 0mg, most of the savings disappear.

Are you vaping 0mg?,
I got the impression your tendency to the Dark Side was stronger young Luke.

No offense, but I think your definition of 'most' is a bit off. If your desired strength is 18mg, and you buy 36mg (keeping in mind that all strengths cost the same) you are saving 50%. In order to not recognize long term savings, you'd have to be diluting only into the high 20's.

[rsngfrce]

No offense, but I think your definition of 'most' is a bit off. If your desired strength is 18mg, and you buy 36mg (keeping in mind that all strengths cost the same) you are saving 50%. In order to not recognize long term savings, you'd have to be diluting only into the high 20's.

And just to give a real-life example of this, I mix 50% TW 36mg with 20% Lorann Brandy flavor and 30% PG/VG to get 18mg Brandy juice that is as good OR BETTER than any pre-packaged flavor I've tried...

[Walrus]

Yeah, as far as the taste, you can only experiment to see how far you can go... you can go farther if you add something like Lorann candy flavoring, but you have to find a complementary flavor and you won't likely end up with the flavor you started with.

I pretty much understood the effects of cutting liquids before I really got into doing it in the first place. The only pre-flavored juice I've ever purchased was the TW Menthol. From the very beginning, I set out to make my own. I primarily buy unflavored. When it's not available (more often lately) I sub something to use as a base. Since a lot of my recipes call for chocolate, I got TW's Chocolate. Diluting it most certainly weakens the flavor. But as I'm going to add Lorann's Chocolate into it anyway, it doesn't matter.

I know this doesn't help a lot if you are hooked on a premix. It wasn't really intended to. The whole point was to get folks exploring their DIY options.

[exogenesis]

No offense, but I think your definition of 'most' is a bit off. If your desired strength is 18mg, and you buy 36mg (keeping in mind that all strengths cost the same) you are saving 50%. In order to not recognize long term savings, you'd have to be diluting only into the high 20's.

Er, that's my whole point, 0mg = almost 100% savings (just cost of PG)
any nic. strength = 'only' 50 % saving on bought price
- i.e. most

btw I've got nearly all of the Loranne flavours, but have only
plucked up courage to try the uncoloured or lightly coloured ones.

I get the impression you're leading the 'vaping flavours to the max' scene,
do you get any probs with the almost jet black ones , like walnut or pralines&cream,
whether atomizer probs or breathing related probs. ?

[Walrus]

Er, that's my whole point, 0mg = almost 100% savings (just cost of PG)
any nic. strength = 'only' 50 % saving on bought price
- i.e. most

btw I've got nearly all of the Loranne flavours, but have only
plucked up courage to try the uncoloured or lightly coloured ones.

I get the impression you're leading the 'vaping flavours to the max' scene,
do you get any probs with the almost jet black ones , like walnut or pralines&cream,
whether atomizer probs or breathing related probs. ?

The darkest I've used so far is the Root Beer... check out my "Chocobeer" recipe in my blog or in the forum. When held up to the light, you can't see through the stuff. I've had no problems with the colors... no tooth staining, etc. No hardware problems as of yet. No health issues (that I'm aware of). I still stay away from any flavor that has oils or sugars. Colors, not so much.

[Edit] Ah.. I see our fundamental difference. We both realize it's a 50% savings. You look at it like "It's only a 50% savings" and I look at it like "Wow! It's a 50% savings!".

Which is weird, cause I'm not usually a 'glass half full' kind of guy. Except when it comes to saving money

[exogenesis]

Ok, that's good.

btw Root Beer is one of those ones I'd call 'contains .... extra things' :

Propylene Glycol, Artificial Flavor, Water, Caramel Color, Polysorbate 80, Potassium Sorbate. Soluble in water.

Then again, perhaps that detegent keeps your atomizer clean

[Walrus]

Ok, that's good.

btw Root Beer is one of those ones I'd call 'contains .... extra things' :



Then again, perhaps that detegent keeps your atomizer clean

Actually, I did research into the Polysorbate 80 and Potassium Sorbate. It's lying around in a recent thread somewhere... bottom line, they are both safe to inhale. Here's what I found:

I've found this info on Potassium Sorbate:

INHALATION: Potassium sorbate is not known to cause respiratory irritation.
www.celanese.com/msds/pdf/795-38339233.pdf

Polysorbate 80 as a nonionic surfactant, is widely used in liquid pharmaceutical products such as inhalation suspensions and nasal suspensions...