E-Cigarettes Under Fire--WebMD Article

[CJsKee]

Seems to be more of the same - relatively bi-partisan...

E-Cigarettes Under Fire

[Sun Vaporer]

Well lets see--what does happen when you take away all the tar from smoking--common sense would say that is good--but as reported:

What happens to someone who stops inhaling the tars of cigarettes and just inhales nicotine? We don't know," Edelman says. "We are talking about use that might be three years, five years, 10 years, we just don't know. Once you have the nicotine habit, you are not likely to quit."
Rather than quit, e-cigarettes might worsen users' nicotine habits, says Michael Eriksen, ScD, director of the institute of public health at Atlanta's Georgia State University and former director of CDC's office of smoking and health.
"I have seen no evidence that people switch from tobacco cigarettes to e-cigarettes or other smokeless tobacco products," Eriksen tells WebMD. "If you look at how smokeless products are marketed, they are sold as something to use at times you can't smoke. The implication is you will increase nicotine exposure, not reduce smoking. We'll just be encouraging people to use more nicotine."

So--again if I read this correctly, all the e-cig is good for is to encourage people to use Nicotine? There just simple is no logic to that, but then again there is no logic to the FDA and all the Politics that go behind all the nonsense--That is my take on it----------Sun

[BARENETTED]

Right Sun. I am so sick of idiots. The more I read, the more I think lack of nicotine to the brain causes stupidity and ignorance and zero common sense. Sad.

[Hangar]

although he is misinformed and cannot possibly see this from a smokers point of view, I DO have to partially agree with his comment which eludes to the possibility of actually increasing our nicotine intake worsening our addiction...that part at least is true, in many cases...but not all of course.

[strayling]

Originally Posted by Sun Vaporer

Well lets see--what does happen when you take away all the tar from smoking--common sense would say that is good--but as reported:

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"If you look at how smokeless products are marketed, they are sold as something to use at times you can't smoke. The implication is you will increase nicotine exposure, not reduce smoking. We'll just be encouraging people to use more nicotine."

Neat little catch-22 there. Market them as an NRT and the FDA shuts you down. Don't make any claims and people like this guy twist things to say that they're marketed as a way to increase nicotine intake.

[Sun Vaporer]

Originally Posted by Hangar

although he is misinformed and cannot possibly see this from a smokers point of view, I DO have to partially agree with his comment which eludes to the possibility of actually increasing our nicotine intake worsening our addiction...that part at least is true, in many cases...but not all of course.

Hanger--from what I read on the posts--most are trying to cut down and then go to no-nicotine. So to the contrary, I do not see the e-cig "worsening" anybody's addiction.--Sorry, but I simply do not buy that.

Many people are taking the ill-fated postion that all aspects of the e-cig should be examined for "possibly negative effects" that are speculative, like children maybe getting hooked on them because they are "Cool" or the possible further addiction of "nicotine". WELL--how about looking at the e-cig with an eye to real harm reduction when they go under the microsope. Although there is no peer group studies as of yet, there are in fact some studies that suggest the e-cig is safer coupled with some common sense and the fact that there are no negitive studies. --------------Sun

[Jim Davis]

Originally Posted by Sun Vaporer

Hanger--from what I read on the posts--most are trying to cut down and then go to no-nicotine. So to the contrary, I do not see the e-cig "worsening" anybody's addiction.--Sorry, but I simply do not buy that.

I gotta agree with ya. I bought heavy nic e-juice, but ended up cutting it waaaaay down in favor of more vapor. I can feel minor withdrawal symptoms, but not bad, and I enjoy the basic vaping. Now, analog cigs smell nasty.

[Rexa]

I agree and disagree with that article but it still comes down to each individual's habits/preferences. I have switched to higher nicotine eliquid and per each vaping session I probably get more nicotine in my system than I would with cigarettes but how much nicotine I take in overall in one day is still probably less than how my smoking habits were because I don't use the e-cig every hour unlike when I would smoke an analog every hour (or even half an hour).

I think the first 3 or 4 days I was OD'ing on the stuff because I was still having analog withdrawels but afterwards, I feel now that I simply don't need to puff on the e-cig all the time. In fact, I just forget about it now sometimes when I'm at work or when in the middle of a long activity.

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

Most point to a Ruyan-funded study by tobacco researcher Murray Laugesen, MBChB, of Health New Zealand, a private research firm.
Laugesen analyzed Ruyan e-cigarettes and found nothing inherently bad in them -- that is, they contained what they said they contained and posed little threat of immediate harm.

About this study - was it good enough for Chineese health officials to allow Ruyan to market their products in China? If so, why isn't it good enough for the rest of the world? Tell me why this can't be a baseline for the effectiveness of the concept of the product???

But this was not a clinical study, notes Norman Edelman, MD, chief medical officer of the American Lung Association, one of the organizations that has called for an FDA ban on e-cigarettes.
"Laugesen is trying to project what the effects of e-cigarettes might be, but he doesn't really know," Edelman tells WebMD. "There are no clinical studies of long-term use of these products."

I get the feeling any study done to prove ecigs will meet the same fate....some stuffed shirt official will pick the study apart, never mind how shakey the arguement is against it.......

"Will e-cigarettes get fewer people smoking? Or will people start with e-cigarettes and graduate to tobacco cigarettes? It is unknown whether these things are good, bad, or indifferent

e-cigs becoming a "gateway" to regular cigs? As if anyone, once they've become accustomed to the vape of an ecig, would go to an analog's "taste-o-ass" voluntarily? How many comments are there in this forum alone about the taste of analogs after just a day or 2 of vaping????

[V-V]

Taste-O-Ass.

Exactly. Why would anyone voluntarily go back to stinky hair, stinky house, stinky clothes? I know I won't be, even if I have to soak tobacco leaves in water to make my own juice. (which IS dangerous)