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Technical memorandum prepared by Exponent Health Sciences (July 30, 2009). Some exercepts: Background: Quote:
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| Super Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: T-Town Oklahoma
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So you don't get them in the vapor ROFL....Way to spin the report then.
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While I find this a very good report---I note two things. (1) NJOY did this report subsequent to the FDA's report, while they stated that they had already done a study? So where is the first study? and (2) NJOY stated that their report did not contain any of the chemicals found by the FDA and their lab results were as clean as a whistle---this is not the case here. It appears the results are acceptably reasonable by all means. The problem will come here: "The detection of trace and non-measurable levels of TSNAs and tobacco-associated impurities in the liquid, rather than the vapor phase of NJOY’s products, at levels that are many orders of magnitude below conventional cigarettes, and at or below FDA-approved nicotine containing products, should be considered as indicators of the regulatory acceptability of the NJOY products rather than reason for concern. When considering the relative potential health risks posed by these trace levels, it is worth noting that the approved NRTs, which have been shown to contain these substances, were not judged to contain levels sufficient to warrant toxicity information or reference to these substances in their own product literature" The FDA will always allow risk to benifit undesirable by-products in drugs like NRT's as the indended use is not for continued use---rather for short term durations. All in all though---these results are very promising when compared to cigarettes. Thanks NJOY---better late then never. Sun |
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LOTS of things the FDA convieniently left out of their bogus report. Like: Quote:
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| Super Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA-Florida
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I waded through the whole report -- as best I could given all the technical stuff. Very, very, very interesting. Can't wait to see if and how the FDA responds to this.
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| Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rhode Island
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Good read. ![]() The fact that they only tested the liquid (Vapor was only tested for Nicotine delivery), disqualifies they whole safety claim. We are not drinking the liquid and it's intended purpose is to be vaporized. They tested the liquid phase which is not valid. There is a lot of stuff in there that does not bode well for the report. ![]() Sun, is it possible that Njoy is sitting on their test results so the other side does not have a chance to do what was just done to the FDA report? I'm not sure how disclosure works at this stage. Nestran |
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Nestran--Yes it is possible, but not likely--as in this report they conceed that there are undesirable chemical by-products but state that they are at very low levels. If the other report was clean as a whistle---they would never have conceeded here. Sun | |
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