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DaMulta · 10-30-2009, 02:08 PM

also

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The Food and Drug Administration had scientists study e-cigarettes. Their report says the vapor coming from e-cigarettes includes byproducts that are known carcinogens and toxic compounds.

I really don't think their report talked about vapor only the liquid in the cart.

AngusATAT · 10-30-2009, 02:26 PM

Sorry, I didn't have time to read through it all. I'm too busy inhaling my mocha flavored antifreeze.

*PUFF PUFF*

quovadis · 10-30-2009, 02:41 PM

It's amazing that a doctor can have such a limited perspective.
To think that this guy has real patients.
He must prescribe placebos.

Archer74 · 10-30-2009, 02:47 PM

has anyone gotten their hands on the full FDA report with actual figures of the test? Would there be a better chance of getting it if we where to ask our local public official to get a copy of it?

LaceyUnderall · 10-30-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by IANAN

That was some of the ranker tripe in the article... As I understand it there were 2 lots, of many, that had the DG in small amounts in it.

18 carts were tested from two suppliers, Smoking Everywhere and nJoy.

DEG was found in one of the SE carts.

This is according to the FDA. FDA and Public Health Experts Warn About Electronic Cigarettes

What's interesting is the FDA did not divulge that DEG is APPROVED by the FDA at certain levels... www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/.../Guidances/ucm070347.pdf

"The relevant safety limit for DEG is 0.1%, as recognized by
the USP monograph for glycerin. The Agency recommends that a manufacturer perform the identity tests, including the limit test for DEG"

ckc · 10-30-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaMulta

They deleted my comment I made last night....

Comments are back.Did you post a new one DaMulta?

DaMulta · 10-30-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ckc

Comments are back.Did you post a new one DaMulta?

Yep, and I'm wondering if they will delete it again.

JohnnyVapor · 10-30-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by IANAN

Anyhow the part about flavors making it marketed to children... No offense but don't the OTC (Over the counter with no prescription) lozenges come in among others things cherry and cappuccino flavor or the gums come in flavors like Fruit Chill, Cinnamon Surge, Ice Mint, and Wint-O-Green.... Wait I know those are marketed to children also.

This just in - Nicotine patches have been found to be attractive to, advertised to children. Studies have shown that children and teens have skin that these nicotine patches could be applied to.

DC2 · 10-30-2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Archer74

has anyone gotten their hands on the full FDA report with actual figures of the test? Would there be a better chance of getting it if we where to ask our local public official to get a copy of it?

Yes, many of us have read the actual report.
And we know the figures, at least to the extent they were reported.

I wish I could link you to it, but I don't know where to find it now.
I'm betting Vocalek could hook you up though.

IANAN · 10-31-2009, 01:15 AM

Summary is here;

Summary of Results: Laboratory Analysis of Electronic Cigarettes Conducted By FDA

Final Report is here;

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/S.../UCM173250.pdf

The ABC story is well-- not fit for human consumption;

Real facts;

-Only 1 cart tested had 1% DG.
-The FDA knows exactly what is in these carts (It is in the report)....
-E-cigs come in 2, 3, or 4 part designs- and not just 3 part designs.
-E-cigs, as far as I know, aren't made by big tobacco companies.
-Purchasing pre-filled NJoy and SE brand carts is more expensive than buying generic cigarettes by the carton in most states and premium cigarettes in some states.

Did they get anything right??

10-30-2009, 02:41 PM	#13
quovadis Supporting Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 919	It's amazing that a doctor can have such a limited perspective. To think that this guy has real patients. He must prescribe placebos. __________________

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Archer74 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Chicago IL Posts: 170	has anyone gotten their hands on the full FDA report with actual figures of the test? Would there be a better chance of getting it if we where to ask our local public official to get a copy of it? __________________

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10-30-2009, 02:26 PM	#12
AngusATAT MODERATOR Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Mansfield, GA USA Posts: 2,302	Sorry, I didn't have time to read through it all. I'm too busy inhaling my mocha flavored antifreeze. PUFF PUFF

10-31-2009, 01:15 AM	#20
IANAN Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 167	Summary is here; Summary of Results: Laboratory Analysis of Electronic Cigarettes Conducted By FDA Final Report is here; http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/S.../UCM173250.pdf The ABC story is well-- not fit for human consumption; Real facts; -Only 1 cart tested had 1% DG. -The FDA knows exactly what is in these carts (It is in the report).... -E-cigs come in 2, 3, or 4 part designs- and not just 3 part designs. -E-cigs, as far as I know, aren't made by big tobacco companies. -Purchasing pre-filled NJoy and SE brand carts is more expensive than buying generic cigarettes by the carton in most states and premium cigarettes in some states. Did they get anything right??