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secondson2929 · 03-10-2009, 07:48 AM

Anyone know where we could find a list of elected officials who smoke. I'd be willing to send one of them a starter kit.

vape4life · 03-10-2009, 07:51 AM

Hrm. I don't really see the FDA acting here. They like to put out statements to protect the public from the unknown, but I don't think there is much they can legally do.

Nicotine is not a controlled substance. E-Juice is no more a drug than herbal supplements, and as much as the FDA hates herbal supplements (a la ephedrine) there was nothing they could do to stop it until the Congress acted.

Tolken · 03-10-2009, 07:51 AM

I think it would be hard to find. When Obama was running there was such little coverage of the fact he smoked. I suspect it was because the last thing any other public official wanted was for it to be bad to smoke if you are in office

castman · 03-10-2009, 07:55 AM

They won't totally band it. They will just do something so, that they can tax the living crap out of it.

vape4life · 03-10-2009, 08:11 AM

It seems evident to me that e-juice can easily and legally be marketed as an herbal supplement, and thus NOT regulated by the FDA.

A claim like "nicotine has been shown to increase alertness" would qualify it as a supplement.

The only question is the "excluding tobacco" phrase in the following list. Because it is a tobacco extract and not tobacco itself... I think... means supplement?

Definition of Herbal Supplement:
In the United States, a dietary supplement is defined under the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994[2] (DSHEA) as a product that is intended to supplement the diet and contains any of the following dietary ingredients:
a vitamin
a mineral
an herb or other botanical (excluding tobacco)
an amino acid
a dietary substance for use by people to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake
a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of any of the above

Furthermore, it must also conform to the following criteria:
intended for ingestion in pill, capsule, tablet, powder or liquid form not represented for use as a conventional food or as the sole item of a meal or diet labeled as a "dietary supplement"

Pursuant to the DSHEA, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates dietary supplements as foods, and not as drugs. While pharmaceutical companies are required to obtain FDA approval proving the safety or effectiveness of their products prior to their entry into the market, dietary supplements, like food, do not need to be pre-approved by FDA before they can enter the market.[5]

The claims that a dietary supplement makes are essential to its classification. If a dietary supplement claims to cure, mitigate, or treat a disease, it would be considered to be an unauthorized new drug and in violation of the applicable regulations and statutes

Nuck · 03-10-2009, 08:19 AM

Can nicotine be synthetically produced?

Based on your post, I can see the futures of potatoes is looking very rosy indeed.

ejfan1977 · 03-10-2009, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuck

Can nicotine be synthetically produced?

Based on your post, I can see the futures of potatoes is looking very rosy indeed.

I think beets look rosier...

MisterPuck · 03-10-2009, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuck

Can nicotine be synthetically produced?

Based on your post, I can see the futures of potatoes is looking very rosy indeed.

forget potatoes, Tea is where it's at.

The average values for nicotine in tomato and potato were 7.3 ng/g wet weight and 15 ng/g wet weight, respectively. Black teas, including regular and decaffeinated brands, had nicotine contents ranging from non-detectable to greater than 100 ng/g wet weight. Instant teas yielded the highest nicotine contents observed (up to 285 ng/g wet weight).

source
Erowid.org: Erowid Reference 7397 : Dietary nicotine: a source of urinary cotinine : Davis RA, Stiles MF, deBethizy JD, Reynolds JH

smokumchevy · 03-10-2009, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuck

Can nicotine be synthetically produced?

Why bother ??.........

"Lobelia Inflata" and using "Lobeline" instead of "Nicotine". Problem solved !! And it grows EVERYWHERE.

VapeOn,
Greg

Liberate_Yourself · 03-10-2009, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deficit

This is absolutely terrible news

I hope they either don't take it too far, or conclude that these are harmless (other than the nicotine) and let the pressure off for a while. Why hasn't the FDA banned analog cigs with their 4,000+ chemicals plus nicotine plus carbon monoxide? Not saying they SHOULD ban analogs (unless they want half the country rioting), just wondering how can they allow analogs but not allow what *SEEMS* to be a much safer and healthier alternative?!

I would think that would be because Big Tobacco has deep pockets.. and their death sticks are generating huge revenue in tax dollars for good ol' Uncle Sam.. That would be my best guess...

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Tolken Supporting Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 75	I think it would be hard to find. When Obama was running there was such little coverage of the fact he smoked. I suspect it was because the last thing any other public official wanted was for it to be bad to smoke if you are in office __________________ I'm a bitch in the boardroom, a bore in the bedroom, and a bear on the toilet!

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03-10-2009, 07:48 AM	#101
secondson2929 Manufacturer Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Winston-Salem, North Carolina Posts: 150	Anyone know where we could find a list of elected officials who smoke. I'd be willing to send one of them a starter kit.

03-10-2009, 07:51 AM	#102
vape4life Full Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 55	Hrm. I don't really see the FDA acting here. They like to put out statements to protect the public from the unknown, but I don't think there is much they can legally do. Nicotine is not a controlled substance. E-Juice is no more a drug than herbal supplements, and as much as the FDA hates herbal supplements (a la ephedrine) there was nothing they could do to stop it until the Congress acted.

03-10-2009, 07:55 AM	#104
castman Full Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: ILL USA Posts: 47	They won't totally band it. They will just do something so, that they can tax the living crap out of it.

03-10-2009, 08:11 AM	#105
vape4life Full Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 55	It seems evident to me that e-juice can easily and legally be marketed as an herbal supplement, and thus NOT regulated by the FDA. A claim like "nicotine has been shown to increase alertness" would qualify it as a supplement. The only question is the "excluding tobacco" phrase in the following list. Because it is a tobacco extract and not tobacco itself... I think... means supplement? Definition of Herbal Supplement: In the United States, a dietary supplement is defined under the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994[2] (DSHEA) as a product that is intended to supplement the diet and contains any of the following dietary ingredients: a vitamin a mineral an herb or other botanical (excluding tobacco) an amino acid a dietary substance for use by people to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of any of the above Furthermore, it must also conform to the following criteria: intended for ingestion in pill, capsule, tablet, powder or liquid form not represented for use as a conventional food or as the sole item of a meal or diet labeled as a "dietary supplement" Pursuant to the DSHEA, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates dietary supplements as foods, and not as drugs. While pharmaceutical companies are required to obtain FDA approval proving the safety or effectiveness of their products prior to their entry into the market, dietary supplements, like food, do not need to be pre-approved by FDA before they can enter the market.[5] The claims that a dietary supplement makes are essential to its classification. If a dietary supplement claims to cure, mitigate, or treat a disease, it would be considered to be an unauthorized new drug and in violation of the applicable regulations and statutes

03-10-2009, 08:19 AM	#106
Nuck ECF Veteran Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,073 Tweet this post!	Can nicotine be synthetically produced? Based on your post, I can see the futures of potatoes is looking very rosy indeed.