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Old 03-10-2009, 09:05 AM   #111
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Synthetic Nicotine: http(REMOVE)://www(REMOVE).chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/nicotine/E-synthese.html

And the raw materials (gamma butyrolactone and 3-bromopyridine) appear to be pretty cheap.

I don't know about purity, or purification though.
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Old 03-10-2009, 11:54 AM   #112
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Im all for our Juice being regulated but I refuse to give up my ecig now. Ive smoked since I was 12 and just quit over 2 weeks ago and I feel amazing and my blood pressure is back to normal and my doctors are so happy. Its all thanks to the vaping. So screw the FDA Im gonna write up some letters. I aint giving up with out a fight.

I wish there were more of us so we could all stand in front of the main FDA offices and take out our pens and minis and vape away. Could you imagine that? Just fill the streets with people vaping in protest!
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Old 03-10-2009, 12:21 PM   #113
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In my opinion, it is up to companies like Njoy, which is probably the most commercially successful e-cig company in America, and possibly the world.

If they represent the e-smoking community with honesty and correct intentions, we will have a much bigger fighting chance with those guys, because lets face it - "mom and pop" shops like the ones most of us buy from have lost their right of way a long time ago. It's sad, but true.

The problem also lyes within correct advertisement. Companies, big or small, simply cannot go running around, claiming that their device is a cessation device. That is a big no no. if I choose to quit while using e-cigs, that choice is on me, not the recommended choice of e-cig manufacturers and distributors.

One thing to keep in mind - Without e-juice and loaded carts, e-cigs are nothing more than electronic paraphernalia. And last I checked, it wasn't illegal to sell metal heating devices and rechargeable batteries.. Point is, like others here have mentioned, I presume the FDA will end up regulating e-liquid. I just hope it doesn't come down to them only allowing something ridiculously small in strength, like 8mg or some such.
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Old 03-10-2009, 12:33 PM   #114
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I wonder if e-cigs are the reason that Philip Morris is suddenly on the side of regulating tobacco. Maybe they see the writing on the wall and figure if they side with the government, they can work to get the e-cig banned.
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Old 03-10-2009, 01:08 PM   #115
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"forget potatoes, Tea is where it's at.

The average values for nicotine in tomato and potato were 7.3 ng/g wet weight and 15 ng/g wet weight, respectively. Black teas, including regular and decaffeinated brands, had nicotine contents ranging from non-detectable to greater than 100 ng/g wet weight. Instant teas yielded the highest nicotine contents observed (up to 285 ng/g wet weight)."
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I don't guess this would be a good time to open up a new shop, oh well...
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Is it just a coincidence that all of this negative FDA attention has occurred since the new administration took over? Lack of regulation has never been a liberal philosophy. I hope I am wrong but I don't believe in coincidences.

One of my favorite reporters who relies on common sense is John Stossel of 20/20. His "Give Me a Break" would be a good place for a review of electronic vapoizers. I have a strong feeling that his conclusion would be that vaping is a good thing.

We need a high profile individual who smokes to embrace vaping. Someone like a Bono. The liberal media would then start doing positive stories on the advantages to vaping. Who in the entertainment industry, who is also well liked, smokes? We need a positive, high profile spokesperson.
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How on earth can the FDA describe this as a new drug? Nicotine is as old as the hills - the method of delivery is modern, but then so is Nicorette. Their position seems illogical and ill-thought-through - perhaps there is some hope for American vapers in that statement.
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I think the one of the greatest areas of concern is all the false / misleading advertising. I'm certainly reiterating what many others have said, but the minute you call it a smoking cessation device, or NRT, you've crossed the line into FDA land. Also - I've seen many advertisements which state that "e-cigs contain Nicotine and Propylene Glycol, a chemical approved by the FDA." While not inaccurate, it is misleading. There were also some advertisements stating that e-cigs were approved by the WHO. We as a group need to ostricize suppliers and resellers that are making false claims. we should point out the false claims and request removal of said claims. We should also maintain a database of businesses that make false claims and refuse to remove them - they should be boycotted by every e-smoker out there!

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If companies can sell "steroids" and "speed" as dietary supplements, there's a way to sell nicotine as well. Probably just use an alternate primary source other than tobacco, as others have pointed out. And if I remember correctly, the FDA has no power to regulate dietary supplements.

Also, if anybody is planning on contacting their elected representatives, send them a hand written letter not an email. Emails mean almost nothing to them, they just get deleted by a low level staffer. When a constituent takes the time to send a hand written letter - not a form letter - politicians sit up and take notice.
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