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melissa · 03-10-2009, 02:48 PM

It is weird that this statement came out the time the government added a 1.15 tax on packs of analogs

Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah · 03-10-2009, 03:07 PM

[quote=vape4life;127721]

The only question is the "excluding tobacco" phrase in the following list. Because it is a tobacco extract and not tobacco itself... I think... means supplement?

Furthermore, it must also conform to the following criteria:
intended for ingestion in pill, capsule, tablet, powder or liquid form not represented for use as a conventional food or as the sole item of a meal or diet labeled as a "dietary supplement"

This is the part that worries me - INGESTION - We don't ingest, we don't take the liquid form into our stomach - we inhale.

We've got a new technology - one that doesn't fall into any of the "normal" catagories - except tobacco use. And tobacco use is -ONLY- allowed in this country because the lobbists dump tons of $$ in Washington to keep it legal.

I think the FDA just wants to - like most of Washington - control everything everyone does in the country 'till we're all whipped dogs.

NewcastleB · 03-10-2009, 03:31 PM

Here's another great quote from the article: "Jose Canseco, the steroid-tainted baseball slugger turned e-cigarette pitchman"

HK45 · 03-10-2009, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by macpanda

Im all for our Juice being regulated but I refuse to give up my ecig now. Ive smoked since I was 12 and just quit over 2 weeks ago and I feel amazing and my blood pressure is back to normal and my doctors are so happy. Its all thanks to the vaping. So screw the FDA Im gonna write up some letters. I aint giving up with out a fight.

I wish there were more of us so we could all stand in front of the main FDA offices and take out our pens and minis and vape away. Could you imagine that? Just fill the streets with people vaping in protest!

Macpanda,

You bring tears to my eyes just remembering my old flac jacket and gas mask while watching a line of National Guardsmen march towards us in a sea of bayonets during the Kent State and OSU demonstrations!

Note: Funny though that I ended up serving 5 years in the Air Force less than a year later. My draft lottery was coming up and I wasn't ready for the"underground" in Canada! :-)

TropicalBob · 03-10-2009, 03:38 PM

Thanks for the post, Sun. Reality is setting in. Anyone who has read extensively on this forum for any length of time knew this was coming.

This is at least the third alarm, however. Before long, it won't be possible to hit the "snooze" button and continue blissful ignorance. Act on your own behalf now.

There's a lot of ignorance in this thread, and a lot of venting. Nowhere is there a sound, logical sequence of arguments to continue the marketing of an unregulated drug of untested purity and content from China. Step back from your e-cig, look dispassionately about our practice and devices -- and you'll see that this isn't some conspiracy to take away freedom, reward lobbyists, assure revenue, etc. It's an agency doing it job. Enforcing protective measures is what the FDA must do.

It knows nothing, and we know nothing, about the real safety of what we're doing. Until that is known, continuing down the unknown path is untenable. I expect harsher measures loom.

TribbleTrouble · 03-10-2009, 03:40 PM

Regardless of an FDA ban or not, I will continue to vape. We all have examples from the past when the government tried to ban stuff. Bans do not work. The only problem we have to overcome is how to make atomizers of our own. I will find a way, and when I do, then the FDA & Big Tobacco will not have that power over me anymore. If they ban it, it will just go underground, and that is where I will be.

fatman · 03-10-2009, 03:44 PM

I wonder if the FDA quote is legitimate or a misquote. It is not illegal nor is it a drug. As I have said on this topic before - the FDA will bow to political will. Contact your conress people and senators and tell them that that this is a bad idea. US citizens - you have the right to petition, take advatange of it.

e-pipeman · 03-10-2009, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

It knows nothing, and we know nothing, about the real safety of what we're doing. Until that is known, continuing down the unknown path is untenable. I expect harsher measures loom.

I do not expect a Government agency to start banning things until they are proven to be harmful to the public. To proceed on a basis of "ban everything until proven to be benign" is the worst kind of nannying.

MisterPuck · 03-10-2009, 03:57 PM

Ive said it before, I'll say it again.

Be proactive, not reactive.

Write the president:
Contact Us

Tips on how to write the whitehouse:
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Live, Love, Be electric baby.

TribbleTrouble · 03-10-2009, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

There's a lot of ignorance in this thread, and a lot of venting.

You may call people "Ignorant" about this situation, Bob, but I feel that our ignorance is better than your "Subservient" attitude. Please stop insulting us.

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TribbleTrouble Watch Out, I'm Trouble! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Rio Rancho, NM Posts: 497	Regardless of an FDA ban or not, I will continue to vape. We all have examples from the past when the government tried to ban stuff. Bans do not work. The only problem we have to overcome is how to make atomizers of our own. I will find a way, and when I do, then the FDA & Big Tobacco will not have that power over me anymore. If they ban it, it will just go underground, and that is where I will be. __________________ Analog Cigs are beneath me now!

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Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah One & Only Wicked Witch Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Watertown, WI Posts: 2,992 Blog Entries: 7	[quote=vape4life;127721] The only question is the "excluding tobacco" phrase in the following list. Because it is a tobacco extract and not tobacco itself... I think... means supplement? Furthermore, it must also conform to the following criteria: intended for ingestion in pill, capsule, tablet, powder or liquid form not represented for use as a conventional food or as the sole item of a meal or diet labeled as a "dietary supplement" This is the part that worries me - INGESTION - We don't ingest, we don't take the liquid form into our stomach - we inhale. We've got a new technology - one that doesn't fall into any of the "normal" catagories - except tobacco use. And tobacco use is -ONLY- allowed in this country because the lobbists dump tons of $$ in Washington to keep it legal. I think the FDA just wants to - like most of Washington - control everything everyone does in the country 'till we're all whipped dogs.

03-10-2009, 03:31 PM	#123
NewcastleB Full Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Carolina, USA Posts: 39	Here's another great quote from the article: "Jose Canseco, the steroid-tainted baseball slugger turned e-cigarette pitchman"

03-10-2009, 03:38 PM	#125
TropicalBob ECF Veteran Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Charlotte, FL USA Posts: 5,076	Thanks for the post, Sun. Reality is setting in. Anyone who has read extensively on this forum for any length of time knew this was coming. This is at least the third alarm, however. Before long, it won't be possible to hit the "snooze" button and continue blissful ignorance. Act on your own behalf now. There's a lot of ignorance in this thread, and a lot of venting. Nowhere is there a sound, logical sequence of arguments to continue the marketing of an unregulated drug of untested purity and content from China. Step back from your e-cig, look dispassionately about our practice and devices -- and you'll see that this isn't some conspiracy to take away freedom, reward lobbyists, assure revenue, etc. It's an agency doing it job. Enforcing protective measures is what the FDA must do. It knows nothing, and we know nothing, about the real safety of what we're doing. Until that is known, continuing down the unknown path is untenable. I expect harsher measures loom.

03-10-2009, 03:44 PM	#127
fatman Full Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Broomall, PA, USA Posts: 51 Blog Entries: 1	I wonder if the FDA quote is legitimate or a misquote. It is not illegal nor is it a drug. As I have said on this topic before - the FDA will bow to political will. Contact your conress people and senators and tell them that that this is a bad idea. US citizens - you have the right to petition, take advatange of it.