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kinabaloo · 03-10-2009, 04:49 AM

Perhaps the marketing that will come to hurt us most is : 'it's a way around the smoking ban'.

Need to not say this, and make no health claims (stupid indeed, but these days even a vitamin can't make a health claim!), including that its a way to stop smoking (again, stupid), and not mention smoking even (except that its an alternative to smoking). Even if all these points of entry for intereference are closed, they might prohibit or restrict sale of nicotine liquids. And for those of us who like their nicotine, this is the one thing that would be difficult to be self-sufficient in. Just hope sense prevails, but government/lovvyists/big business does not work according to common sense; illogical laws happen because its not really about health, its about power and profit for those with the power.

skullsoup432 · 03-10-2009, 04:50 AM

[quote=nosmoke;127383]You know what pisses them off... is the fact that they are not getting their cut in massive taxation.

That is damn right. It is not about our health, the kids health, just the damn green.

I have a feeling the non smokers and politicians are pissed because we are getting around their bans also. A non smoking zealot HATES to see anyone smoke, be it movies, advertising, or from a distance. Hey, I don't think we should be allowed to vape at school events. Children are impressionable. Still, these people just hate to see us enjoying ourselves. Or DISOBEYING them.

The FDA officials will come up with some trumped up evidence against vaping. The zealots will then line up with torches and pitchforks, doing the "Right" thing. Saving me from myself.

secondson2929 · 03-10-2009, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris From Cali

Rubber knife....These people are a real piece of work.

I suppose their point is a little like saying, well why would you drive a hybrid? It's still runs just like a car, and cars are bad for the environment. Although Hybrids do have less emissions they still run on gas.....BAD BAD BAD!

Perfect comeback for that argument!

redrose · 03-10-2009, 04:55 AM

I have a problem wih this article. He's quoting an FDA spokesperson saying it is illegal. It is not.

secondson2929 · 03-10-2009, 05:02 AM

"I understand why people use the nicotine replacement aids,'' said Serena Chen, regional tobacco policy director of the American Lung Association in California. "But I don't understand why people want to pretend that they're smoking.''

Who gives a crap if you understand it? I don't understand why they asked someone from the ALA anyway, it's not a cigarette!

ikenmoke · 03-10-2009, 05:03 AM

Or maybe this is the workings of our Big Tobacco buddies..WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO STOP THIS...I see posts on here that has been viewed more than 22,000 times on one single thread..How many members do we actually have World-wide on this forum alone??? Surely with our outstanding numbers we can do something about this bull*****.
Being pollution free, harmless and odorless to others and the environment, containing only 3 main ingredients of 4,000 to a regular cigarette. We can have so many pressing arguments and key elements to stop electronic cigarettes from being illegal. WE NEED TO MAKE OUR VOICES HEARD!

Walrus · 03-10-2009, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faethe

Just vaporizers. That's all they are. Just sell the ones that look like penlights and get rid of the cigarette appearance to begin with and it should be all good. Maybe. Still - like other articles have pointed out - the issue is not necessarily the device. It's the behavior it mimics. Some people can not get past that.

Maybe they need to ban pens and pencils too... after all, Johnny Carson had those special 'eraser at both ends' pencils to figit with when he quit.

Effex132 · 03-10-2009, 05:08 AM

At this point forward, it is up to companies like Njoy to do what's right and represent the e-smoking movement for what it truly is. BS and lies aside. Yes, no long-term tests have been done on the effects of inhaling PG/VG. Yes, there aren't any overall documentations on the risks of long-term e-smoking in general, but fact of the matter is, they were never, or should never be advertised as a cessation device, or an aid of any sort. It is simply an alternative to smoking.

Anyone who chooses to use this device as a quit smoking aid is indeed making a healthy and positive choice, but it's their choice, not the intended advertisement of the product. If I were to jog 30 minutes a day to quit smoking, that would be my personal aid. Same thing applies for electronic cigarettes.

Also, I say Njoy because they are probably the biggest and most commercially successful company on the market right now, and it also helps that they are an American company because it's always easier to deal with issues in-house.

Honestly though, a year from now, I see e-liquids being highly regulated. Probably nothing over 12mg in strength. Same goes for cartridges.

secondson2929 · 03-10-2009, 05:09 AM

I'm gonna get some tic-tacs and pretend it's extasy. I hope the FDA doesn't ban those.

Tolken · 03-10-2009, 05:11 AM

Maybe the Chinese will use the powers of their shareholdings in USA LLC.

03-10-2009, 04:50 AM	#32
skullsoup432 Supporting Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Michigan USA Posts: 230	[quote=nosmoke;127383]You know what pisses them off... is the fact that they are not getting their cut in massive taxation. That is damn right. It is not about our health, the kids health, just the damn green. I have a feeling the non smokers and politicians are pissed because we are getting around their bans also. A non smoking zealot HATES to see anyone smoke, be it movies, advertising, or from a distance. Hey, I don't think we should be allowed to vape at school events. Children are impressionable. Still, these people just hate to see us enjoying ourselves. Or DISOBEYING them. The FDA officials will come up with some trumped up evidence against vaping. The zealots will then line up with torches and pitchforks, doing the "Right" thing. Saving me from myself. __________________ Expert texpert choking smokers, Don't you think the joker laughs at you? ho ho ho-he he he-ha ha ha

03-10-2009, 05:03 AM	#36
ikenmoke US Supplier Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: PA,USA Posts: 1,717 Blog Entries: 1	Or maybe this is the workings of our Big Tobacco buddies..WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO STOP THIS...I see posts on here that has been viewed more than 22,000 times on one single thread..How many members do we actually have World-wide on this forum alone??? Surely with our outstanding numbers we can do something about this bull*****. Being pollution free, harmless and odorless to others and the environment, containing only 3 main ingredients of 4,000 to a regular cigarette. We can have so many pressing arguments and key elements to stop electronic cigarettes from being illegal. WE NEED TO MAKE OUR VOICES HEARD! __________________ Helping members 1 PM at a time.

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03-10-2009, 04:49 AM	#31
kinabaloo ECF Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: london uk / beijing china Posts: 3,304	Perhaps the marketing that will come to hurt us most is : 'it's a way around the smoking ban'. Need to not say this, and make no health claims (stupid indeed, but these days even a vitamin can't make a health claim!), including that its a way to stop smoking (again, stupid), and not mention smoking even (except that its an alternative to smoking). Even if all these points of entry for intereference are closed, they might prohibit or restrict sale of nicotine liquids. And for those of us who like their nicotine, this is the one thing that would be difficult to be self-sufficient in. Just hope sense prevails, but government/lovvyists/big business does not work according to common sense; illogical laws happen because its not really about health, its about power and profit for those with the power.

03-10-2009, 04:55 AM	#34
redrose Supporting Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: CT Posts: 271	I have a problem wih this article. He's quoting an FDA spokesperson saying it is illegal. It is not.

03-10-2009, 05:02 AM	#35
secondson2929 Manufacturer Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Winston-Salem, North Carolina Posts: 150	"I understand why people use the nicotine replacement aids,'' said Serena Chen, regional tobacco policy director of the American Lung Association in California. "But I don't understand why people want to pretend that they're smoking.'' Who gives a crap if you understand it? I don't understand why they asked someone from the ALA anyway, it's not a cigarette!

03-10-2009, 05:08 AM	#38
Effex132 Full Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New York, NY Posts: 16	At this point forward, it is up to companies like Njoy to do what's right and represent the e-smoking movement for what it truly is. BS and lies aside. Yes, no long-term tests have been done on the effects of inhaling PG/VG. Yes, there aren't any overall documentations on the risks of long-term e-smoking in general, but fact of the matter is, they were never, or should never be advertised as a cessation device, or an aid of any sort. It is simply an alternative to smoking. Anyone who chooses to use this device as a quit smoking aid is indeed making a healthy and positive choice, but it's their choice, not the intended advertisement of the product. If I were to jog 30 minutes a day to quit smoking, that would be my personal aid. Same thing applies for electronic cigarettes. Also, I say Njoy because they are probably the biggest and most commercially successful company on the market right now, and it also helps that they are an American company because it's always easier to deal with issues in-house. Honestly though, a year from now, I see e-liquids being highly regulated. Probably nothing over 12mg in strength. Same goes for cartridges.

03-10-2009, 05:09 AM	#39
secondson2929 Manufacturer Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Winston-Salem, North Carolina Posts: 150	I'm gonna get some tic-tacs and pretend it's extasy. I hope the FDA doesn't ban those.

03-10-2009, 05:11 AM	#40
Tolken Supporting Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 75	Maybe the Chinese will use the powers of their shareholdings in USA LLC.