There may be an easy answer to the FDA ban

[TropicalBob]

KatyS, you're a reseller, not a manufacturer. Product responsibilities should reside above your level. I don't think anyone faults you or the other resellers for not ponying up big money to have your items tested. Your product investment was on faith, as is ours; a maker of devices should never rely on that alone. THEY are to blame if the gavel bangs this trial to an end.

[Faethe]

We can import cigarettes in the US. Actually, I know of no restriction on the importation of nicotine products. I still think this is a labeling issue for the most part.

As for Australia doing stupid things on impulse. Yes. Yes they do. Then the people get all pissed off and make a huge amount of noise, and then it goes away. I'm a dual citizen with the US and Oz and planning on moving to New Zealand. The noise level is much more friendly. It's also much easier to point out when the government does stupid things. Here in the US - it's not stupid things. It's terrifying things, and I do not see that stopping.

[Faethe]

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

KatyS, you're a reseller, not a manufacturer. Product responsibilities should reside above your level. I don't think anyone faults you or the other resellers for not ponying up big money to have your items tested. Your product investment was on faith, as is ours; a maker of devices should never rely on that alone. THEY are to blame if the gavel bangs this trial to an end.

Ruyan or Janty or someone with much to loose will inevitably pay up on the bribes. Johnson Creek has already made overtures towards the FDA. The have a certificate on their site now. We don't know whether the manufacturers do have things in testing. Why would they tell anyone? Business in China, from what I understand, is mad competitive. Whomever gets to the finish line first will likely use that as a hammer to disprove their competition's validity.

[TropicalBob]

Ruyan or Janty or someone with much to loose will inevitably pay up on the bribes.

THAT is exactly the kind of statement that dooms e-smoking. Exactly. End of patience with this kind of nonsense ... A radical segment will kill the practice. What hope is left with postings like that for the FDA to read?

[ed_bollix]

If it makes any difference I was able to purchase Absinthe from Eastern Europe and have it shipped to the US during the ban. The thought was that it wasn't illegal to use, just buy or sell in this country. I may have that wrong but I did enjoy my Absinthe.

[Heed]

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

THAT is exactly the kind of statement that dooms e-smoking. Exactly. End of patience with this kind of nonsense ... A radical segment will kill the practice. What hope is left with postings like that for the FDA to read?

Huh?

One comment on a forum left for "the FDA to read" has doomed e-smoking?

If one off-hand comment on a forum holds the balance for the FDA, then that's when there really is no hope -- because that means the FDA aren't bothered with investigating the issue at all and will decide based upon something equivalent to a shoolyard name calling incident.

FDA Bob: "Those nasty e-smokers insinuated on an internet forum that we are on the take!"

FDA Ted: "Oh well, I was going to pass this stuff, but now that you've showed me that -- BAN!!"

Seriously, while I can understand wanting to be careful with wording when advertising and selling the products (i.e. no health/cessation claims, etc.) I find it hard to fathom that comments on a forum are going to be the doom for e-smoking.

[ChadmanMn]

Originally Posted by Faethe

We can import cigarettes in the US. Actually, I know of no restriction on the importation of nicotine products. I still think this is a labeling issue for the most part.

Congress recently passed legislation that gives the FDA regulatory authority over nicotine. I dont know the specifics, but it can't be good.

[Faethe]

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

THAT is exactly the kind of statement that dooms e-smoking. Exactly. End of patience with this kind of nonsense ... A radical segment will kill the practice. What hope is left with postings like that for the FDA to read?

I don't see how anyone is going to kill the process? Are you saying that the FDA had no business with E cigs? I agree with you. But I rather doubt that will be the case. I hope it is. But if it is not, then my scenario may be what happens. I have confidence that this will sort itself out. Too much money in it to get swept under the rug, for sure.

[Faethe]

Originally Posted by ChadmanMn

Congress recently passed legislation that gives the FDA regulatory authority over nicotine. I dont know the specifics, but it can't be good.

The only thing I can think of is that it would take a terrific amount of money for the FDA to do anything at this point. I don't think this will be acted on, tbh.

[Sun Vaporer]

Originally Posted by Faethe

Ruyan or Janty or someone with much to loose will inevitably pay up on the bribes..

This statement is in fact plain nonsense.

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

THAT is exactly the kind of statement that dooms e-smoking. Exactly. End of patience with this kind of nonsense ... A radical segment will kill the practice. What hope is left with postings like that for the FDA to read?

Exactly TB---That kind of nonsense has NO Legitimate Office here–and is just plan ridiculous. Stick with the facts as we know them and as they come forward—Sun