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taukimada · 03-15-2009, 03:33 AM

i haven't read the whole article yet (its up in another tab while i read up here first...

but the blurb that was posted here i can understand her problems... and sadly.. she is right..

Quote:

There is an aesthetic to smoking that's unfathomable to those who've never had the habit, never known the pleasure of striking match to fragrant weed and inhaling a delicious lungful.

her problem is that she's like me... i love my ecigs.. and i DO now have the desire to fully switch.. dont ever get that part wrong fro me.. what makes it hard?

just put that quote in for me... i still enjoy my analogs.. when i fully put the analogs away for good.. im gonna have a good long cry at the non-usage of my multiple zippos

Nuck · 03-15-2009, 03:37 AM

The attached video is very positive. If that is a promise of things to come we're in good shape.

angel.white · 03-15-2009, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taukimada

im gonna have a good long cry at the non-usage of my multiple zippos

That has also crossed my mind.

Johnsky · 03-15-2009, 04:17 AM

Luckily for me, I get plenty of use out of my zippos lighting my butane soldering iron about 30 times a day... I really ought to just leave it running when I'm working.

For the rest of you... there's always candles and incense... if that's any consolation.

lol, I can envision an e-cig convention, everyone sitting around a table vaping and fidgeting with lighters, constantly re-lighting candles.

Grody · 03-15-2009, 05:50 AM

I'd have to agree with Bob.

One thing I've noticed about e-smoking is how different my experience can be from one device to the next, or even one minute to the next on the same device.

For example, my Janty Dura didn't seem to give me a lot of vapour at all for the first few days. I couldn't feel it, the taste was bland, and it wasn't satisfying at all. (The carts also leaked all over the place) Then I got some liquid, filled up a cart, and I had that thing blazing for 3 days. Huge amounts of smoke, good throat hit, very satisfying. (For a limited time, as I had to change the batteries constantly to retain the same level of performance, and keep the carts topped off.) Then both atomizers burned out, along with one of the batteries, and here I am with no Dura, waiting for replacement parts.

So I think there's going to be a huge difference in opinion with one smoker who tries a fully charged, fully functional, fully topped up e-cig. And someone who tries one with a low battery, dry cart, smelly atomizer, etc. There's also the technique of getting the most vapour out of your device, which I myself would like to be working on. But I have to baby my Pilot right now, because I only have one atomizer left, and it tastes like dog crap.

So who knows why this woman didn't enjoy her first e-cig experience. Maybe the battery was low, the cart was dry, she was sucking too hard, no primer puff, etc, etc, etc. Or maybe she just likes her regular cigarettes, and e-cigs aren't for her.

There will be a lot of smokers who have a negative experience with the e-cig, especially with all the problems and low quality devices out there right now.

I'm going to get my mother on them, but I'm going to wait until I find the perfect device for her, and the perfect system and technique. She's 65 years old, so she's not going to be filling cartridges, blowing out atomizers, dripping, sending back batteries, searching forums, etc.

I'll just fill a bunch of carts for her, get her extra batteries, atomizers, and check on her every day to make sure it's working properly. If I just dropped a starter kit off at her house, it'd be in a drawer within a day or two, and she'd be back on her regular smokes.

Which is what's going to happen with a lot of people until better and easier to use e-cigs come out.

strayling · 03-15-2009, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CssReb

Think it was meant as a sarcastic question

Hence my disagreement. Sarcasm's all well and good, but it's no replacement for knowing what you're talking about. I hope she does a bit more research and writes a follow-up.

strayling · 03-15-2009, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverEagleBW

"These fakes are like having sex with a blow-up doll."

How does she know this?,,,,,,,,,,

,LMAO

Her husband told her?

angel.white · 03-15-2009, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnsky

lol, I can envision an e-cig convention, everyone sitting around a table vaping and fidgeting with lighters, constantly re-lighting candles.

That gave me a good chuckle.

TropicalBob · 03-15-2009, 01:29 PM

Let me make one thing clear: E-smoking has improved quite a bit since I began in January 2008. At that time, there was .. basically .. cheap E-Cig junk to order online. No RY4. No tasty cappuccino flavor. Just greasy liquids and carts that tasted terrible and ruined atomizers.

My present favorite, the Janty Kissbox, is quite an improvement over the trash barrel of used and tossed e-smoking devices under my desk.

But anyone who thinks today's models are any kind of satisfying end-all smoking alternative is short-sighted. If these are allowed to evolve for another few years, we won't recognize what electronic smoking becomes. It CAN closely replicate smoking a tobacco product. It CAN match with nicotine kick (and the addition of harmine and other tobacco non-carcinogenic substances to the liquid). It can be made of something other than hard metal, so it's lighter and feels more like a traditional cigarette. Any specific taste can be made available in liquid to vaporize. And it can assuredly be proven to be far safer than using tobacco.

But it doesn't look as if this generation of e-devices will get out of infancy. I view that as a travesty. I've come to depend on e-cigs to get me through daily cravings for real cigarettes. I do not find this "easy" in any way. It is far, far from "smoking bliss" to me. Light years from it. To those who get full satisfaction with today's e-cigs, congratulations. Do not count me among that group. To the others .. imagine how much better these could be if allowed to grow up.

Nuck · 03-15-2009, 01:42 PM

There are many countries in the western world where e-cigs will mature. I've posted the financial numbers before for Canada (tax revenue vs social costs) but this can be applied to any country with socialized medicine.

There is a overwhelming monetary incentive for the rest of the western governments, with socialized medicine, to promote the development of safe e-cigs and their use. Anyone that claims that tobacco taxes are enough to cover the costs of smoking is grossly mistaken.

The US is pretty unique in the power that it gives special interest lobbies. They are also only 5% of the worlds population. E-cigs may be in their infancy, but aside from some growing pains while real peer-reviewed tests are demanded and performed, the future is quite bright in most of the developed world.

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03-15-2009, 03:37 AM	#12
Nuck ECF Veteran Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,071 Tweet this post!	The attached video is very positive. If that is a promise of things to come we're in good shape.

03-15-2009, 04:17 AM	#14
Johnsky Full Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 46	Luckily for me, I get plenty of use out of my zippos lighting my butane soldering iron about 30 times a day... I really ought to just leave it running when I'm working. For the rest of you... there's always candles and incense... if that's any consolation. lol, I can envision an e-cig convention, everyone sitting around a table vaping and fidgeting with lighters, constantly re-lighting candles.

03-15-2009, 05:50 AM	#15
Grody Full Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 23	I'd have to agree with Bob. One thing I've noticed about e-smoking is how different my experience can be from one device to the next, or even one minute to the next on the same device. For example, my Janty Dura didn't seem to give me a lot of vapour at all for the first few days. I couldn't feel it, the taste was bland, and it wasn't satisfying at all. (The carts also leaked all over the place) Then I got some liquid, filled up a cart, and I had that thing blazing for 3 days. Huge amounts of smoke, good throat hit, very satisfying. (For a limited time, as I had to change the batteries constantly to retain the same level of performance, and keep the carts topped off.) Then both atomizers burned out, along with one of the batteries, and here I am with no Dura, waiting for replacement parts. So I think there's going to be a huge difference in opinion with one smoker who tries a fully charged, fully functional, fully topped up e-cig. And someone who tries one with a low battery, dry cart, smelly atomizer, etc. There's also the technique of getting the most vapour out of your device, which I myself would like to be working on. But I have to baby my Pilot right now, because I only have one atomizer left, and it tastes like dog crap. So who knows why this woman didn't enjoy her first e-cig experience. Maybe the battery was low, the cart was dry, she was sucking too hard, no primer puff, etc, etc, etc. Or maybe she just likes her regular cigarettes, and e-cigs aren't for her. There will be a lot of smokers who have a negative experience with the e-cig, especially with all the problems and low quality devices out there right now. I'm going to get my mother on them, but I'm going to wait until I find the perfect device for her, and the perfect system and technique. She's 65 years old, so she's not going to be filling cartridges, blowing out atomizers, dripping, sending back batteries, searching forums, etc. I'll just fill a bunch of carts for her, get her extra batteries, atomizers, and check on her every day to make sure it's working properly. If I just dropped a starter kit off at her house, it'd be in a drawer within a day or two, and she'd be back on her regular smokes. Which is what's going to happen with a lot of people until better and easier to use e-cigs come out.

03-15-2009, 01:29 PM	#19
TropicalBob ECF Veteran Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Charlotte, FL USA Posts: 5,076	Let me make one thing clear: E-smoking has improved quite a bit since I began in January 2008. At that time, there was .. basically .. cheap E-Cig junk to order online. No RY4. No tasty cappuccino flavor. Just greasy liquids and carts that tasted terrible and ruined atomizers. My present favorite, the Janty Kissbox, is quite an improvement over the trash barrel of used and tossed e-smoking devices under my desk. But anyone who thinks today's models are any kind of satisfying end-all smoking alternative is short-sighted. If these are allowed to evolve for another few years, we won't recognize what electronic smoking becomes. It CAN closely replicate smoking a tobacco product. It CAN match with nicotine kick (and the addition of harmine and other tobacco non-carcinogenic substances to the liquid). It can be made of something other than hard metal, so it's lighter and feels more like a traditional cigarette. Any specific taste can be made available in liquid to vaporize. And it can assuredly be proven to be far safer than using tobacco. But it doesn't look as if this generation of e-devices will get out of infancy. I view that as a travesty. I've come to depend on e-cigs to get me through daily cravings for real cigarettes. I do not find this "easy" in any way. It is far, far from "smoking bliss" to me. Light years from it. To those who get full satisfaction with today's e-cigs, congratulations. Do not count me among that group. To the others .. imagine how much better these could be if allowed to grow up.

03-15-2009, 01:42 PM	#20
Nuck ECF Veteran Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,071 Tweet this post!	There are many countries in the western world where e-cigs will mature. I've posted the financial numbers before for Canada (tax revenue vs social costs) but this can be applied to any country with socialized medicine. There is a overwhelming monetary incentive for the rest of the western governments, with socialized medicine, to promote the development of safe e-cigs and their use. Anyone that claims that tobacco taxes are enough to cover the costs of smoking is grossly mistaken. The US is pretty unique in the power that it gives special interest lobbies. They are also only 5% of the worlds population. E-cigs may be in their infancy, but aside from some growing pains while real peer-reviewed tests are demanded and performed, the future is quite bright in most of the developed world.