Our Member, Frubbish to give ABC TV News Interview on E-Cigs Tomorrow - Let’s Wish Frubbish Luck!!

[DisMan]

Originally Posted by KDMickey

**Ahem** I know I'm a n00b, but I'm a Denver member too! Anyways, I don't own a TV, but I'll look forward to seeing it online. Who knows, I may go out of my way to watch the news tomorrow!

Cheers,
-Mickey

Holy crap! You don't own a TV but you have the Internet? Talk about a technological shift! That's awesome!

(I'm a Systems Engineer....so this surprised me. Sorry if it's way offtopic....)

[Sun Vaporer]

Originally Posted by KDMickey

**Ahem** I know I'm a n00b, but I'm a Denver member too! Anyways, I don't own a TV, but I'll look forward to seeing it online. Who knows, I may go out of my way to watch the news tomorrow!

Cheers,
-Mickey

Mickey--List your location so it shows up--it would have helped for the story--that is why it is good to at least list what State you are in---Sun

[Misty]

Hi Mickey!..welcome!
No offense meant...happy to meet another member from Denver

[Calaban]

Good luck!

I have one request, if I may....

Please be honest.

Let's not try to spin e-cigs in a more positive light than they deserve. Of course we all want some positive coverage for once, given that most of the coverage out there is undeservedly negative and completely inaccurate. But to my mind, it's more important to get the FACTS out there and be truthful than it is to rally support for the cause (even though I want lots of support for vaping).

We don't want to stoop to the level of some reports out there, written by obvious anti-smokers who have already made up their minds, who inaccurately report on e-cigs simply to support their own view. The truth is best.....even if there are unanswered questions.

We don't want to give ammo to any anti-e-cig people who might use it against us later, claiming we are not being truthful. That's what THEY do.

Just thoughts

Again, good luck and make us proud!!!

-Cal

[Kate]

Originally Posted by Kate

This claim is persistent, potentially dangerous, annoying and based on rubbish - Compared with cigarettes we are getting a half or a third of the nicotine per puff.

Theoretically we are getting twice as much or more nicotine than with cigarettes per puff. There is no scientific evidence of this yet but that's what the maths says.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...fs-per-ml.html

Another new myth is that there are 250 Chinese manufacturers There probably aren't more than ten.


Here are some of the myths that have already been mentioned and a response:

A cartridge lasts for the equivalent of 20/40 cigarettes.

Super Minis (RN4081, RN4088, DSE103, etc...): About 1-3 cigs worth (20-30 puffs)
Mini (DSE901, etc...): 5-6 cigs worth (50-75 puffs depending on how you puff)
Pen (DSE801, RN4072, etc...): 7-10 cigs worth (up to about 100 puffs)
eCigar: 10-12 cigs worth (up to about 120-130 puffs)
Pipe (DSE601, etc...) Atleast 14-15 cigs worth.

E-smoking is safe.

It might be safer than tobacco smoking, we don't know, there are no scientific studies or clinical trials to test the effects of esmoking.

We could take in massive doses of nicotine which is a toxin
We don't know the long term side effects inhaling of the ingredients in the liquid
We don't know how the cocktail of chemicals we inhale interacts
We don't know the implications of breathing the chemicals given off by the burning coil wick as it degrades
We don't know what type of plastics are used for storage or cartridges and if they leach chemicals into the eliquid
We don't know what chemicals are given off by cartridge fillers when they are heated or burned
We don't know if there is lead in the paint used on our devices

These are all areas that have yet to be researched by many suppliers and manufacturers. Ruyan has conducted several studies that appear promising, but these apply only to this company, not all of them.

So, basically we don't know if esmoking is safe. Lots of us think it is probably safer than smoking tobacco but that's opinion, not science.

When you see the advertising saying vaping is safe or safer, it's unfounded claims, there is no proof. Ask the seller what is the basis of the statement ... they usually try to fob you off with Ruyan specific research which doesn't apply to their products.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) endorses E-smoking.

"... manufacturers of electronic cigarettes continue to inaccurately cite WHO’s support of this category of products - claiming that WHO’s approval of Nicotine Replacement Therapy (NRT) principles equates to endorsement of the electronic cigarette as a safe and effective cessation aid. WHO is unaware of the existence of a comprehensive set of scientifically rigorous, peer-reviewed studies to substantiate claims for the electronic cigarette as an effective smoking cessation aid. In this respect, WHO does not equate a manufacturer’s undocumented claims of safety or toxicity to peer-review by a science based committee."

WHO - Marketers of electronic cigarettes should halt unproved therapy claims - *E-Cigtest, the ultimate electronic cigarettes review site and forum* Le site de la cigarette électronique

It tastes like a cigarette.

No e-liquid tastes exactly like a cigarette. There are many tobacco flavors to choose from that are similar, but none are exact. Many users report enjoying the taste of e-liquid much more than they did with cigarette smoke.

Atomizers and batteries have a reasonable lifetime with moderate use.

This technology is somewhat new and unreliable. Parts could last days or months. Monthly atomizer or battery replacement is a fairly common experience. It is suggested to always have a minimum of 1 spare atomizer and 1 spare battery in case of failure.

You get what you pay for.

Not always true. Some companies charge way too much for cheap devices and no warranties. You need to research before you buy.

You exhale only water vapour.

This is what the Ruyan research says:

"... the exhaled mist of the e-cigarette is composed of propylene glycol, and probably contains almost no nicotine; and no CO..."

http://healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport21-Oct-08.pdf

The E-liquid is regulated.

It's not regulated by any legal bodies, it is not approved by any legal bodies. Anyone can formulate, make and use anything in eliquid.

You actually are inhaling less nicotine then when you were smoking tobacco.

We have no testing that states this. The math says we can get a lot more nicotine. Many people have overdosed so it's certainly possible that we are raising our tolerance or making ourselves sick with too much nic.

There is no smell.

A faint smell can at times be detected while vaping. It usually smells like the flavor your using at the time. (i.e. if your vaping Chocolate it will smell like chocolate). This is usually only noticeable to those within the immediate area.

E-smoking is nicotine replacement therapy (NRT).

E-Cigs and quitting smoking

To be NRT it has to be medical grade liquid and devices which are tested and approved.

You are smoking car anti-freeze -

This is a confusion between Propylène Glycol and Ethylène Glycol.

Esmoking myths

[Sun Vaporer]

To all --not to worry. No jawboning this time--a lot of effort went into the understanding the Research that was done and how to interpet it. Also the Reporter has a full rundown in advance of all the pertainent information--so there will be no misinformation this time by either side----Sun

[~kerri]

Just wanted to add my good wishes best hopes to the mix-
knock em dead guys!!

[Calaban]

Originally Posted by Sun Vaporer

To all --not to worry. No jawboning this time--a lot of effort went into the understanding the Research that was done and how to interpet it. Also the Reporter has a full rundown in advance of all the pertainent information--so there will be no misinformation this time by either side----Sun

Very glad to hear this

Can't wait to see it...I hope there's a link to it sometime.

-C

[KatyS]

My best wishes to our Denver members too. I'm sure you'll be great!!

[castman]

Good luck Frubbish...explain to them whats it all about lol lol