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jamie · 07-25-2008, 10:18 PM

Coverage titled Cigarette Legally "Smokes" The Smoking Ban, from 6/12/08

Video: San Diego News 8 Video

Article: San Diego News 8 Article

notable snippets from the article:

State and city laws make it hard for smokers to find a place to light up legally. Smokers in the United Kingdom face the same challenge because of a new smoking ban there. But some clever entrepreneurs have invented an electronic cigarette that allows people to legally smoke.

The Gamucci electronic cigarette has no tobacco and no tar. It's a popular alternative to smoking in Europe... the London-based manufacturer says its product is healthier than smoking.

There's no second-hand smoke. That's what's allowing smokers back into bars and restaurants in the U.K.

Paul Walter manages a popular restaurant in the Gaslamp Quarter and likes the idea.

There's no tobacco, just nicotine.

"To allow the user to get the nicotine fix without any of the negative side effects from smoking traditional cigarettes," Zar said.

It was developed to counter the indoor smoking ban.

"The smoking ban as it came into play in the U.K. … has had a huge negative impact on the hospitality sector," Zar said.

...don't look for an endorsement from the American Lung Association. "We would say stay away from a product like that. It reinforces the smoking habit," spokesperson Kathleen Sullivan said.

Gamucci has plans to launch the electronic cigarette in the United States.

The electronic cigarette comes in several versions: high and medium nicotine cartridges and a non-nicotine cartridge for people trying to quit smoking.

ned Zeppelin · 07-26-2008, 12:00 AM

London-based manufacturer = it should say London-based rich businessman goes to China to get them manufactured and then put in little
black boxes with their name on
oh I forgot the fancy name Ruyan disguise by Chinese manufacturer

TropicalBob · 07-26-2008, 02:28 AM

Jamie, Gamucci also introduced a disposable today. It looks like a cross between an e-cig and an e-cigar. Green or blue LED on front. About $30 US. Not price effective since it's good for 600 puffs, roughly two days or smoking.

leaford · 07-26-2008, 07:00 AM

Now, that's ugly.

Spider · 07-26-2008, 11:33 AM

I can't believe Gamucci are bringing the e-cig into US news articles - I would have thought one of the others would have beaten them to it. They obviously have a large marketing budget.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamie

...don't look for an endorsement from the American Lung Association. "We would say stay away from a product like that. It reinforces the smoking habit," spokesperson Kathleen Sullivan said.

Why can they never see it as the lesser of two evils?

jamie · 07-26-2008, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spider

Why can they never see it as the lesser of two evils?

It's only the lesser of two evils if we are of value. I don't believe we have any value in their eyes except as props. This is their "War On Tobacco" and it's all about winning, no matter the costs.

Yesterday I saw a (document) presentation to Virginia govt public health that included the proposal, "Set up national registry of smokers." ASH, I believe it was, published a piece including that smokers are responsible for business downturns because we're so burdensome to employers. Our breath is responsible for "indoor air pollution". We shouldn't be allowed custody of our children or any gainful employment.

What might help smokers? Not on their radar.

Spider · 07-26-2008, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamie

It's only the lesser of two evils if we are of value. I don't believe we have any value in their eyes except as props. This is their "War On Tobacco" and it's all about winniner, no matter the costs.

Yesterday I saw a (document) presentation to Virginia govt public health that included the proposal, "Set up national registry of smokers." ASH, I believe it was, published a piece including that smokers are responsible for business downturns because we're so burdensome to employers. Our breath is responsible for "indoor air pollution". We shouldn't be allowed custody of our children or any gainful employment.

What might help smokers? Not on their radar.

It makes me sooo MAAAAAAAAD!

TropicalBob · 07-26-2008, 02:26 PM

Everything Jamie wrote is true. And I'll add that I've seen statements twice where the American Cancer Society is against any e-smoking -- addressed by its name. This is not an alternative they will endorse. Expect them as hostile witnesses before the FDA when the time comes.

20ADAY · 07-26-2008, 02:35 PM

They have had most media exposure in the Uk and have a real slick website, look like a rebranded generic item to me, but arnt they all really

Cant believe the retarded comments from the lady at the end, its look like the judgement of a non smoker, forming an opinion of something they no nothing about.

As a smoker that feels I have benefited from my e-smoking already, anything that helps stop the use of tobacco to me is a good thing...

TropicalBob · 07-26-2008, 03:48 PM

I read two different news stories, on two different topics, this morning that both implied the war on smoking was over. Only mop-up remains, to snuff out a few hot zones. Now it's onward and upward to obesity, particularly in the poor children who at least won't grow up smoking those dreaded cigarettes.

What's pathetic is that Big Pharma got pediatricians to say obese children as young as 8 should take cholesterol lowering drugs. This morning's story said Big Pharma was creating new flavors kids will love. Wow! Imagine the size of that market. Fat profits, for sure.

Wait till they find out about our flavored cartridges ...

07-25-2008, 10:18 PM	#1
jamie Super Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USA Posts: 345	Gamucci ecig on San Diego news Coverage titled Cigarette Legally "Smokes" The Smoking Ban, from 6/12/08 Video: San Diego News 8 Video Article: San Diego News 8 Article notable snippets from the article: State and city laws make it hard for smokers to find a place to light up legally. Smokers in the United Kingdom face the same challenge because of a new smoking ban there. But some clever entrepreneurs have invented an electronic cigarette that allows people to legally smoke. The Gamucci electronic cigarette has no tobacco and no tar. It's a popular alternative to smoking in Europe... the London-based manufacturer says its product is healthier than smoking. There's no second-hand smoke. That's what's allowing smokers back into bars and restaurants in the U.K. Paul Walter manages a popular restaurant in the Gaslamp Quarter and likes the idea. There's no tobacco, just nicotine. "To allow the user to get the nicotine fix without any of the negative side effects from smoking traditional cigarettes," Zar said. It was developed to counter the indoor smoking ban. "The smoking ban as it came into play in the U.K. … has had a huge negative impact on the hospitality sector," Zar said. ...don't look for an endorsement from the American Lung Association. "We would say stay away from a product like that. It reinforces the smoking habit," spokesperson Kathleen Sullivan said. Gamucci has plans to launch the electronic cigarette in the United States. The electronic cigarette comes in several versions: high and medium nicotine cartridges and a non-nicotine cartridge for people trying to quit smoking.

07-26-2008, 07:00 AM	#4
leaford Supporting Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA USA Posts: 1,757	Now, that's ugly. __________________ Sadly, we live in a society where education is equated with elitism, and ignorance is equated with authenticity.

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07-26-2008, 12:00 AM	#2
ned Zeppelin Super Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: uk Posts: 613	London-based manufacturer = it should say London-based rich businessman goes to China to get them manufactured and then put in little black boxes with their name on oh I forgot the fancy name Ruyan disguise by Chinese manufacturer

07-26-2008, 02:28 AM	#3
TropicalBob Super Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Charlotte, FL USA Posts: 2,514	Jamie, Gamucci also introduced a disposable today. It looks like a cross between an e-cig and an e-cigar. Green or blue LED on front. About $30 US. Not price effective since it's good for 600 puffs, roughly two days or smoking.

07-26-2008, 02:26 PM	#8
TropicalBob Super Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Charlotte, FL USA Posts: 2,514	Everything Jamie wrote is true. And I'll add that I've seen statements twice where the American Cancer Society is against any e-smoking -- addressed by its name. This is not an alternative they will endorse. Expect them as hostile witnesses before the FDA when the time comes.

07-26-2008, 02:35 PM	#9
20ADAY Full Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 94	They have had most media exposure in the Uk and have a real slick website, look like a rebranded generic item to me, but arnt they all really Cant believe the retarded comments from the lady at the end, its look like the judgement of a non smoker, forming an opinion of something they no nothing about. As a smoker that feels I have benefited from my e-smoking already, anything that helps stop the use of tobacco to me is a good thing...

07-26-2008, 03:48 PM	#10
TropicalBob Super Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Charlotte, FL USA Posts: 2,514	I read two different news stories, on two different topics, this morning that both implied the war on smoking was over. Only mop-up remains, to snuff out a few hot zones. Now it's onward and upward to obesity, particularly in the poor children who at least won't grow up smoking those dreaded cigarettes. What's pathetic is that Big Pharma got pediatricians to say obese children as young as 8 should take cholesterol lowering drugs. This morning's story said Big Pharma was creating new flavors kids will love. Wow! Imagine the size of that market. Fat profits, for sure. Wait till they find out about our flavored cartridges ...