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08-12-2009, 12:18 AM
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| USA Supplier Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: 35160 Topps Industrial Parkway, Suites 5-7, Willoughby, OH 44094
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The military installation commissaries are doing a deal with my company for desert camo and jungle camo versions of our e-cig...No LED and they requested a non visible vapor option (we're still working on it) as well as a regular cart. The carts will match the camo. Check them out on my profile. The samples just came a few weeks ago. So yeah I am prettty sure the US military approves of e-cigs. They said that the ember of a cigarette can be seen from a couple hundred yards away, and the smoke can be smelled from a couple hundred yards as well. |
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08-12-2009, 03:17 AM
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As for Sebastian's post, while I have no facts....I find it very difficult to believe! For one thing, military commissaries deal in groceries. Why would they deal in electronic cigarettes? If any activity on a military installation would deal with this product, it would be AAFES (Army Airforce Exchange Service) or the NEX (Navy Exchange). Secondly, the camoflage patterns shown in your pics are not the current camoflage patterns, so I'm not sure where the link is(?). Third, the military HAS NOT approved of electronic cigarettes (nor have they disapproved them). However, if the military were to approve of them, they would most assuredly approve of them as a form of NRT. For that to happen, the e-cig industry would have to provide hard, factual, verifiable proof that these are indeed as safe as we all assume they are.....this being the major reason why the FDA can pursue it's current witch hunt against e-cigs. Fourth, no individual military installation controls what is sold on bases through the Commissary nor through AAFES/NEX....that is regulated by a central office which is commanded by a Lieutenant General (for AAFES...cannot speak for NEX). Finally, since no scientific studies are currently accepted by the government to state that e-cigs are safe, healthy(er), or just a simple nicotine delivery system, military commanders could very well view the e-cig as a drug delivery system. For this reason, I am not blatant in my vaping while in uniform. My command has a specific Commander's Policy Letter which specifies that no unapproved drug delivery systems nor unauthorized tobacco substitutes will be used by Soldiers of the command. Not trying to throw stones....but as a career active duty Soldier with over 20 years, I find the need to bring people's disillusionment about the military back to a form of reality when the topic is misleading and not based on fact.
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08-12-2009, 07:40 AM
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OK well then they haven't disapproved of them and they haven't said that they aren't allowing them, but they are aware they are going to be sold there in the near future. Have they officially said WE APPROVE E-CIGS...no, not to my knowledge. But the company that represents our company does sells alot of product to the military so I am pretty sure that the forthcoming deal is a solid one...and I'm sure the fact that a portion of proceeds of our camo versio goes to The Wounded Marine Program probably didn't hurt us. The camo doesn't match because we tried and couldn't get it print correctly. This was the best we could do. It has been accepted as a good initial model. You are incorrect about us having to deal with NEX or AAFES. My fault. I should not have said anything. You can't go on this forum without someone discrediting you based on anything you say lol....and when you do prove them wrong they don't post a retraction anyways (yeah sorry happens ALL the time folks lol). |
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08-12-2009, 07:58 AM
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| Super Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: S. Indiana
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It is just really great that they exist for the military service members. They will never get a stamp of approval. They would just more likely be ignored. But then someone always gets stupid and forces the issue.. and then comes policy.
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08-12-2009, 08:09 AM
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| USA Supplier Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: 35160 Topps Industrial Parkway, Suites 5-7, Willoughby, OH 44094
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42109 Agreed... Which is why we have a back up plan for the camo units for mass market distribution in retail outlets that sell hunting, fishing, and outdoor gear. My Dad is one of those whacky people that if you just slap camo on it....HE WANTS IT lol. When in doubt, don't doubt ban...has become company policy for anything new we are doing in the US. We had, what the call center girls called, a G8 summit yesterday at our offices... India, Chile, Nepal, Ireland and England. It was quite a sight. |
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08-12-2009, 08:56 AM
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My guess is the malls around the bases have beat you to the market, GI's are ordering from China, and they don't give a rat about it being camo.
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08-12-2009, 09:10 AM
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| USA Supplier Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: 35160 Topps Industrial Parkway, Suites 5-7, Willoughby, OH 44094
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42109, These guys would rather buy it closer than the nearest malls. At least that is the impression I am getting from people in the military who have bought from me. The camo has been well received. |
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08-12-2009, 01:13 PM
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Personally, I would be thrilled to see e-cigs receive approval by the military and sold on installations. I just find the concept very hard to swallow from the red-tape bureaucracy that I have witnessed during my time in the Army. Plus, the FDA's current stance on e-cigs as well as all of the anti-smoking activist groups' activities and statements have been very effective in demonizing e-cigs to the point that I just cannot see the military officially accepting these as an alternative to analogs. I've actually wondered what it would take to get approval to sell these in a kiosk-type mode on base....mebbe I will have to make some inquiries with AAFES on base. I've also wondered what it would take to get the military to accept these as a NRT (Lord knows I've got boxes and boxes of patches and bottles of wellbutrin that they keep throwing at me). But that last idea is a road that would be difficult to travel without medical acceptance (and scientific data/proof) that these are a acceptable smoking cessation product. (and yes...I just went there....but while we cannot officially state smoking cessation....that is, nonetheless what these e-cigs are to us).
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08-12-2009, 06:59 PM
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| Full Member  Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Lockport NY
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I'm glad to hear they let you use your e-cig, at least you won't be blowing up any fuel trucks  |
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08-12-2009, 11:33 PM
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| Full Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Aiken, SC
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Well im talking about the impressions of all my army officials in my unit as well as AGR ( Active Guard Reserves ) From my battalion commander, captian, fellow GI's. Sorry it was misleading just noting that alot of people at my unit, and those i work with while im on these orders at troop command.
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