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    Thery are toxicity codes, how it has been pasted on here makes it more difficult to follow.

    we know nicotine is toxic hence the R23, R24, R25.

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    Ah- thought they were chemicals present in the smoking juices or something- Nicotine toxic? Meh- big deal- just breathing city air is toxic too.

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    Analysis of Components from Totally Wicked E.S. Smoking Liquid
    Report Number: D319A

    Cara Valance & Mike Ellicott
    18 September 2008

    LPD Laboratory Services
    Blackburn MicroTech Solutions Ltd.
    Philips Road
    Blackburn
    Lancashire, BB1 5RZ
    United Kingdom
    LPD Labservices: UKAS Accredited Chemical Analysis Laboratory
    enquiries@lpdlabservices.co.uk
    Tel 01254-507379
    Fax 01254-507402

    Pillbox 38
    Office 3
    Mill Brook Complex
    Branch Road
    Lower Darwen
    BB3 0PR


    This report shall not be reproduced except in full, without written approval of the laboratory


    1. Background
    A sample of ‘Totally Wicked’ Electronic Cigarette (E.S.) Nicotine solution was supplied for analysis by ‘Pillbox 38’ as part of their due diligence to confirm the components currently found within the Nicotine Solution formulation.

    Solutions of this type can be used in an electronic cigarette which replicates the action of smoking, producing a tobacco aromatized smoke which when inhaled quickly delivers the nicotine to the lung.

    The Electronic Cigarette does not emit a tarry smoke, or produce an ash deposit, and can be used to wean the smoker off ‘cigarette smoking’ in a controlled manner.



    2. Sample
    The sample was received on the 15/09/2008.
    1. 1 x 20ml bottle of Totally Wicked E.S. nicotine solution





    3. GC-MS Method
    The sample was analyzed by an external flavour laboratory to determine the components present by GC-MS (gas chromatography mass-spectrometry).

    Column: Alltech Flavour & Essences Capillary Column – 30 m x 250 µm x 0.5 µm
    Temperature: 50oC 4 min, ramp 10oC/min to 210oC
    Analysis Time: 81 min
    Injection: Split
    Carrier gas: Helium


    The GC method employed may not detect some less volatile components that may be found in the sample, or where components are present in such low levels that they are below detection limits for the GC-MS method.


    4. GC-MS Results
    The sample was not diluted for analysis, and the results relate to the sample as received.

    Table 1 – Summary of GC-MS peak identification, CAS Number, and associated Risk Phrases
    No Name NominalArea% CAS No. Effects to Humans of pure product in isolation via inhalation routeR20 = harmful by inhalationR23 = Toxic by inhalationR26 = Irritating to respiratory systemR39/23 = Danger of serious irreversible effects through inhalation
    1 1-hexyl-2propyl-cyclopropane 0.51 74630-58-3 Non hazards identified – essential oil component
    2 Nitrogenous compound 0.25 Not identified No hazards identified
    3 Water 0.12 7732-18-5 Non hazardous
    4 Propylene Glycol 80.62 57-55-6 Not currently recognized as giving any health hazards. However, it is listed as a suspected respiratory toxicant, suspected skin or sense organ toxicant, suspected neurotoxicant, and a suspected immunotoxicant.
    5 Methyl Cyclopentenolone 1.81 80-71-7 R22 = Harmful if swallowed
    6 Nicotine 9.39 54-11-5 R23 = Toxic by inhalationR24 = Toxic in contact with skinR25 = Toxic if swallowedPoison - maybe fatal if inhaled
    7 2-Octanol 0.37 6169-06-8 R36/37/38 = Irritating to the eyes, respiratory system and skin
    8 2-Acetyl Pyrrole 0.12 001072-83-9 R22 = Harmful if swallowedR37/38 = irritating to respiratory system and skin
    9 3,4-Dihydro Coumarin 0.10 119-84-6 Not currently recognized as giving any health hazards. However, it is listed as a suspected carcinogen, suspected gastrointestinal toxicant or liver toxicant, and suspected neurotoxicant
    10 Palmitic acid 1.66 57-10-3 R36/38 = Irritating to eyes and skin
    11 4-Methoxy Quinazoline 0.08 16347-95-8 No hazards identified

    5. Discussion
    The composition of the ‘Totally Wicked’ E.S. nicotine solution has been investigated by LPD Laboratory Services, in order to try and re-affirm that the nicotine solution is a much safer alternative when used in the electronic cigarette, when compared to smoking with traditional cigarettes.

    The ‘Totally Wicked’ nicotine solution contains the addictive yet poisonous nicotine component, as do traditional cigarettes.

    The nicotine solution does appear to contain propylene glycol aerosol forming solvent. Different suppliers of this chemical appear to offer differing hazard ratings on their respective MSDS’s. Some indicate no ill effects from inhalation which is fine, while others indicate CNS and spleen health issues may exist from prolonged inhalation of the chemical.

    Researching the chemical profile for propylene glycol1 indicates that although there would appear to be ‘no current recognized health hazards’, the chemical is ‘suspected to be a respiratory toxicant’.
    If Propylene Glycol subsequently becomes ‘recognized as a respiratory toxicant’ following the launch of the product in Europe, then ‘Pillbox 38’ should be looking for an even safer alternative such as Glycerol.

    The GC-MS results also indicate that “3, 4-Dihydro Cumarin” is also present in the nicotine solution and that currently ‘no health hazards are recognized’. However, the chemical is suspected to be a carcinogen2, a suspected gastrointestinal toxicant or liver toxicant, and a suspected neurotoxicant.

    The low level of “3, 4-Dihydro Cumarin” identified may have inadvertently found its way into the formulation, or be added intentionally3,4 to modify the smoking experience.

    6. Conclusion
    On balance, the ‘Totally Wicked’ E.S. nicotine solution appears to offer a much safer alternative to the traditional cigarette.

    Using this nicotine solution, the artificial smoke generated by the Electronic Cigarette does not appear to contain the toxic cocktail of toxic carcinogenic compounds found in traditional tobacco smoke. Some 600+ chemicals have been identified in traditional tobacco smoke, of which many are carcinogenic.



    The primary aerosol forming solvent (Propylene Glycol) used in the preparation of the nicotine solution is listed as a suspected respiratory toxicant. ‘Pillbox 38’ should look at changing the aerosol forming solvent from the suspected respiratory toxicant ‘Propylene Glycol’, to an even safer solvent such as Glycerol.

    The low level of “3, 4-Dihydro Cumarin” identified as being present in the ‘Totally Wicked’ nicotine solution is ‘not currently recognized as posing a health hazard’. However, the chemical is suspected to be a carcinogen2, a suspected gastrointestinal toxicant or liver toxicant, and a suspected neurotoxicant. So elimination of this chemical from the formulation may be required in the future.



    7. Recommendations
    a) ‘Pillbox 38’ should take a Proactive look at replacing the Propylene Glycol component completely with an alternative such as Glycerol, in the event that the solvent becomes added to the list of respiratory toxicants in the foreseeable future
    b) ‘Pillbox 38’ should take a Proactive look at finding out how the low levels of “3,4-Dihydro Cumarin” find their way into the formulation, in the event that the chemical becomes added to the list of carcinogens or toxicants in the foreseeable future, and the chemical then needs to be eliminated from the formulation



    8. References
    1. www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles; The Pollution Information Site for chemical “Propylene Glycol”
    2. www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles; The Pollution Information Site for chemical “3,4-Dihydro Coumarin”
    3. Reference to 100 fatal poisonings in Panama resulting from a Chinese factory falsifying records in order to export the cheaper but toxic Diethylene Glycol as the more expensive Glycerol.
    4. Reference to 6000 poisonings in China where powdered milk has been purposely contaminated with the toxic chemical melamine. Melamine is used in industry to make such things as plastics. This chemical makes the milk powder appear to contain more protein than is actually the case. So far, three children have died, and nearly 160 have experienced acute kidney failure.



    Analysts Name: Mike Ellicott
    Function: Senior Applications Scientist
    Signature: (hard copy only)________________


    End of Report

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    [quote=pillbox38;39187The GC-MS results also indicate that “3, 4-Dihydro Cumarin” is also present in the nicotine solution and that currently ‘no health hazards are recognized’. However, the chemical is suspected to be a carcinogen2, a suspected gastrointestinal toxicant or liver toxicant, and a suspected neurotoxicant.

    The low level of “3, 4-Dihydro Cumarin” identified may have inadvertently found its way into the formulation, or be added intentionally3,4 to modify the smoking experience.
    [/quote]

    Once again, Pillbox, thank you so much for the fantastic level of disclosure. But, that part concerns me. Have you taken steps to find out about that? Is it a contamination, a cheap substitute for something else, or intentional?

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    This bit is funny - "Nicotine 9.39 54-11-5 R23 = Toxic by inhalationR24 = Toxic in contact with skinR25 = Toxic if swallowedPoison - maybe fatal if inhaled"

    'Maybe fatal if inhaled.' I hope you're taking steps to remove this ingredient from your juice Pillbox. Just joking

    Thanks very much for sharing that information with us. Again, it's reassuring to know what we are dealing with.

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    Hi i cant imagine its contamination Leaford, i suspect its in the flavouring..

    I am not overly concerned about it as again its a suspected carcinogen, but arent so many things today..???

    I will however get onto the manufacturers and will be feeding back the results tomorrow.

    Ideally it will be removed.

    I am pretty satisfied with the results, off course the Dihydro Cumarin needs ultimately eradicating..

    At least we all know what is in the juice, i will in 3 months get a different flavour tested... We are still looking into local manufacture so so far as things stand im satisfied its safe to sell.

    This means on the 1st october the website will go live..

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    excellent work Jason,
    hoping to recieved my french pipe 36mg tommorow, i'll enjoy it even more in the knowledge that is quite safe.

    Thanks

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    I too appreciate the disclosure, but at this point, I'm treating my e-smoking kinda like I do when i get a Big Mac at McDonalds...

    If the want to spit in my food, Fine! But do NOT put that on the list of ingredients where I have to know about it up-front.




    (Just kidding, I'm sure they NEVER play around with your food in those places )
    Tex

    [ I used to be very indecisive, but now...I'm not so sure.] :pervy:

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    oh,i could tell you a true story that would put you off Mcdonalds for life...and its not an urban myth....

    anyway,kudos Pillbox.

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    Well some people thought theJanty Oriental tasted like cats p and a lot were put off and would not even try this.


    Well I don't care because I love this and its put hairs on my chest anyway .

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