as for vaping in public. i havent really had the chance to test that here in illinois yet. i live in a very small area and im sure people would have lots to say about it. but since starting i really havent been anywhere long enough that i would want to vape while in. when i am in that circumstance i will vape and depending on the situation may or may not ask if it is ok. if asked to stop then i will explain what it is and why i am doing it and if they are persistance that i do not do it then i will stop. but i will be sure to educate on the matter no matter what
I've vaped in restaruants, Dr's offices, shopping malls, Wal-Mart and even my Mom's non-smoking home and my non-smoking friends car. So far I've not encountered anyone who's been opposed to my vaping. I normally ask if it's ok with the person if it's possible, but for places like Wal-Mart who would you ask? lol! So I just vape. I live in a very small community where ecigs are not that well known. So far the only comment I've gotten is that my Provari looks something like a StarWars light saber.
I always vape in public and enjoy being told I can't "smoke" to which I reply with "I am not smoking" and continue on my shopping. Most people are pretty cool about it and until they put up "no vaping" signs, I will continue.
In the office at work; my boss doesn't care. I've vaped very lightly in some establishments, but only in very large, warehouse style stores, where I'm confident that it won't bother anyone. Even then I keep it on the DL; I don't blow giant clouds.
In my opinion, my desire to inhale nicotine doesn't trump others' rights not to breath in what I'm producing. Vapor is less harmful than cigarette smoke, yes. But that doesn't mean it's completely harmless. We simply don't know who much second hand nicotine we're giving off. It may be a little or none, it may be a lot. We just don't know. Plus, there's always the possibility that someone might be sensitive to PG or a flavoring in my juice. It's not very nice to send someone into a sneezing fit just because I don't want to wait 10 minutes until I'm outside. PG even bothers my sinuses sometimes, because I do have seasonal allergies. When they're bothering me, I am sensitive to things that otherwise don't usually bother me. Irritated nasal passages and what not.
In general, I try to be a sensitive and polite to other people around me.
That is definitely encouraging, however I would caution you against taking that as a general, or absolute fact. I mean don't get me wrong, it's absolutely encouraging, and great that your parrot has suffered no ill side effect of your vaping. But, the sample size of the test, and lack of control makes me cautious, about calling it a fact. Encouraging, yes, but not a shut book case.
The parrot is the lesser of the evidence anyway. We know more than you might suspect about what is exhaled in vapor. We also know that what is exhaled in vapor is less irritating and harmful than what our cars spew, what busses spew, what our lawnmowers emit, what comes out of our chimneys or our vinyl furniture or carpet glue, our bbq grills or our chainsaws and outboard engines. For particularly sensitive people, we risk offending them with our aftershaves, colognes and deodorants or no-deodorants. If what we do as vapers came from a cup instead of a cylindrical device, nobody would say a thing about it. That's a fact. It's the similarity to smoking that causes all the concern. The amount of nicotine in vapor is minute. As I said before, there is every bit as much exhaled nicotine in the breath of a Nicotrol user and nobody questions their right to exhale.
Here are some links to what we know. Note the amount of nicotine and other substances in vapor. You would literally have to exhale into someones mouth for an extended period of time to expose them to as much nicotine as is contained in an average tomato. These figures are raw vapor. Exhaled vaper contains considerably less, as much of it is absorbed by the vaper.
Ecigarette mist harmless, inhaled or exhaled
Here's a legislative statement by Health New Zealand.
Here's a more detailed analysis of the contents of vapor.
And a more concise version:
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I use my Reo Mini which is quite stealthy and vape wherever I want. If you exhale the vapor into your sleeve or downward you can vape without really bringing any attention to yourself. If I am in a place where there are lots of children or vaping may cause undue attention (a la McDonalds, Barnes and Noble cafe etc) I usually go outside or to the bathroom. Don't think that little ones understand nor should they have to ask mommy why this woman is "smoking" in the establishment.
JMHO though. I try to respect that people are not aware yet and not cause any discomfort but will vape pretty much any time that I wanna vape.
According to the Health NZ study, their sample contained 0.01mg nicotine per puff. If the average vaper absorbed 40% of that, it leaves .006mg per puff in exhaled vapor. Considering vapor dissipates and settles rapidly, how may vapers would you need to pack into a normally ventilated room in order to expose one by stander to the amount of nicotine in one puff of a cigarette, 0.1mg?
Assuming that there was no ventilation, 17 vapers would have to simultaneously breathe into the mouth and nose of a bystander for him to be exposed to the amount of nicotine in one puff of a cigarette. All the exhaled vapor would have to be inhaled by the bystander. If the bystander absorbed this nicotine at the same rate as the vapers, he would have to be inhaling the breath of 43 vapers, simultaneously, to absorb the same amount of nicotine he'd absorb if he took one puff of a cigarette.