Yes. God forbid that poor mommy have to explain to her children that steam is not the same as smoke. I wonder what mommy would say when her little darling asked why that man's coffee cup was on fire? Should my hot steak be served cold lest some parent be forced to explain to her child that it's not on fire?
Originally Posted by Huffelpuff
Sorry. I feel no obligation to protect grown adults from answering the questions of their children, or children from asking questions. I feel less obligation to protect parents from having to teach their children the difference between vapor, steam and smoke.
Good Lord! Would you restrict all your public activities only to things children can understand without having to ask their parents questions? Children SHOULD have to ask mommy stuff. They should be encouraged and even forced to ask questions. They should always be in situations where they need to ask questions. How intellectually stunting if it were otherwise?
If you are unaware of something, I'll be glad to enlighten you. But don't expect me modify my behavior for no other reason than to cater to your unawareness. If I did that, I'd only be perpetuating your ignorance and nothing would ever happen to make vaping more socially unremarkable.
Originally Posted by sailorman
I stopped reading here. Yes we are all entitled to our opinions, but there it is right there. Thats the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me who ever you believe in!
Sailorman and I have taken part in several heated threads on this topic alone and like I said, there is the whole subject in a nutshell. Well done my friend, once again. You need to just copy and paste that little bit of truth.
Vape everywhere folks!!
Maybe it's different in China, but in the U.S., there are many people who are already telling people the difference. They are telling them that there is NO difference. They are telling them that e-cigs are worse than cigarettes, more dangerous than cigarettes. So, either we stop hiding in the shadows, or everything the public knows about e-cigs will be taught to them by the FDA, BP and the anti-nicotine zealots. We will lose by default. It's already happened and it is continuing constantly.
Originally Posted by tony.he
We live in an insulated e-cig friendly world here on ECF. Go to some of the other websites. Google "are e-cigs safe". You will get a tiny peek at the results of a massive disinformation campaign launched by the anti-nicotine zealots. All the propaganda about exploding batteries, DEG in e-juice, anti-freeze, etc. has invaded the minds of people all over this country. If we sit back and try to be low-key about this, we will lose the propaganda war before we even knew it was launched.
I haven't done much vaping in public yet. When I first got my starter kit, my husband wouldn't even let me do it in the house. I eventually got him to change his mind after proving to him that there was no smell, but he still believes the second-hand vapor could be harmful. When we're at friends' houses, I ask if it's OK to do it indoors and they've all been fine with it, though my husband usually starts talking about the possible dangers, etc.
At my university, I used it outdoors a few times, away from entrances and heavy foot traffic. I had one person come up to me to ask if it was an electronic cigarette and then they offered me their old vaping supplies since they stopped smoking as well as vaping. I turned them down, though.
I checked the smoking restrictions for my city and it specifically states that electronic cigarettes are not prohibited anywhere. My sister works at a bar and says that vaping is very common. The next time I go to a bar, I plan to vape.
The big test is that tomorrow I'm going out to eat followed by a movie. If it wasn't for my husband, I'd stealth vape during the show, but he'd probably have a fit about "secretly putting others at risk." I'm wondering if I should talk to him again to try to convince him that it's safer than he seems to think.
PG is the main stabilizing agent in asthma inhalers. I went to the movies a few weeks ago and the theatre was packed. My wife and I were forced to sit dead center. I noticed b4 we sat a couple directly behind us and the woman was very pregnant. So, b4 I sat I started to pull my eGo out and said "if you guys see me exhaling its not smoke" and she cut me off and said "oh its fine go right ahead". For 2+ hrs I sat there vaping away and nobody said a word. Now I wasn't blowing clouds of vapor to obscure anybodys view, but I also wasn't hiding either.
My wife was skeptical at first also. After some research she's thrilled. A world renowned cardiologist just did a 2hr power point presentation on the vape teams show. (I'm pretty sure its the v team I always mix the 2 up), and he presented his results of a very indepth study that showed that this stuff is harmless. This is nothing more than a political debate at this point, and we need as many people on our side as possible.
The main problem with convincing my husband is that he believes any study done that proves vaping isn't harmful is funded by e-cig companies or people who support vaping. He's convinced that the FDA is the only unbiased opinion out there and as you may know, the FDA hasn't been very kind to vaping.
Originally Posted by kwalka
So the thing with the parrot? biased. The cardiologist on the vaping show? biased. And the studies that show second-hand vapor is less harmful than second-hand smoke don't prove that it's completely harmless, only less so. Until the FDA releases better studies, I don't think he'll believe that second-hand vapor isn't an issue.
I've been married for 14 yrs w 4 kids and I would never badmouth anybody, but I will express my opinion. If he believes the FDA is a nonbiased entity then you have a much bigger problem on your hands than e cigs. Not trying to be offensive just my 2 cents. The FDA is a billboard for who ever has the most $.
Originally Posted by Stormlark
I'm in Illinois...the most corrupt state ever, I was vaping last night in the otb, had to bet the belmont stakes race then after we left we stopped at a taco bell tried again, had a Niles cop tell me "put that away, " to which I replied I will when im finished and he didnt do anything. Of course I always challenge police on what they say since most cannot tell a chevrolet from a cow.
Originally Posted by ahall
I asked a friend of mine who is the chief of police in skokie about it, he said there is nothing illegal about it so it would be up to the store manager and or the responding officer if police were called so in my case I will always challenge the police officer who is too stupid not to listen to what I say about it not being smoking. If we continue to accept what the police and government want soon we will be living in a police state.
I don't vape inside public places except for work because i don't want to offend anyone. As for the FDA, they are sometimes wrong too. They have approved drugs that have caused serious side effects.
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