Please, don't vape where you can't smoke

[NCC]

I had been vaping for nearly two months before a couple co-workers got their kits a few days ago. Mine is a smoke free workplace. But, I'd been discretely vaping all along. I am certain that a few times my boss caught me in the act, but he didn't say anything. As I said, I'd been discrete and wouldn't even consider sneaking a drag when customers were anywhere near.

After my co-workers got theirs, my boss gave me a friendly warning. The other guys hadn't been as discrete with theirs, it would seem. I believe the boss is still ok with it if done discretely. But, those two young guys could screw it up for me if they don't keep it down. I've talked to them about it.

[Drozd]

Yanks21 - When you posted:

"While there have not been any thorough studies on the effects of constantly inhaling PG there HAS been a study about being exposed to it. "

What study? Do you have a link???

theres a bunch of studies actually and several of them ARE about inhalation of PG..
Theres actually a thread I started about a month ago in the health and safety forum...with links..
Studies published by the journal of pharmacology, time magazine, British medical journal, and NASA...
The NASA one I think is my favorite because it talks about PG on a space station being inhaled and the long term effects all the way out to 1000 days..

[AJMoore]

OK Drozd, can you link to the study? I saw a study where it was healthy to inhale PG. Just curious.

[dawhoo]

...but i would tell people not to vape mounds of clouds in public....and stop buying e-cigs...that look like real cigs.

Inconspicuous is a good thing when vaping, I agree. I use to go outside at the bar by where I work. A few times, people asked me about my Silver Bullet and now, I get to vape inside, if I want to. When a customer says something to the bartender, they tell them what it is, before I have a chance to explain and that's a nice thing. A few people come up and ask about it and I tell them about it and how it's the same liquid as an inhaler, just without the medication. I only vape non-nicotine when in the bar, for now, just in case

[dawhoo]

OK Drozd, can you link to the study? I saw a study where it was healthy to inhale PG. Just curious.

Medicine: Air Germicide - TIME

Mary Ann Liebert, Inc. - Journal of Aerosol Medicine - 20(4):417

TESTS FOR THE CHRONIC TOXICITY OF PROPYLEXE GLYCOL AND TRIETHYLENE GLYCOL ON MONKEYS AND RATS BY VAPOR INHALATION AND ORAL ADMINISTRATION ? JPET

Lot's of studies. Google is your friend

[yanks21]

AJ, this is the one I was referring to:

1940's Propylene Glycol Study found it... Harmless...

I too used the "inhaler" analogy with my anti-smoking nazi sister.

I said: Remember when your daughter had pnemonia and she had to use the inhaler to get the meds into her lungs? Well, this is like a portable inhaler that gets the nicotine into me.

theres a bunch of studies actually and several of them ARE about inhalation of PG..

Cool - I will check them out. I kind of meant the affects of year after year of inhaling as I expect to be using my PV until I die

[JLeigh]

I vape anywhere I want to. What I don't do is vape obviously anywhere I want to. I stealth vape unless I'm in an area where I know there won't be a problem. Being obvious about it is just asking for trouble.

Shopping for clothing used to make me downright suicidal (right ladies? ), and I'd have to take a smoke break outside every half hour during the ordeal. Now I just vape in the fitting rooms....which is exactly when I need the nicotine the most.

[Drozd]

OK Drozd, can you link to the study? I saw a study where it was healthy to inhale PG. Just curious.

AJMoore,
Here's the thread I had started with the most reputable sources I could find..

Several links to key texts involving Propylene Glycol toxicity all in one place..

all the links are there..

Like I said the NASA study was a study on PG being inhaled as if it was introduced to the atmosphere inside a space station....and they tracked it all the way out to 1000 days..

The BMJ article is about using PG fog in airline disaster simulations and the inhalation of it (which would be closer to the amount we're inhaling)

also covers the CDC acceptable levels and what it does to the body and how fast it leaves the system..

couple of others that a good quick reads too..

[whozshort]

dawhoo - I completely agree. I posted the below in another thread yesterday:

I don't want to sound like the bad guy here, and admittedly I haven't read the entire thread, but I think putting ourselves in confrontational situations by stealth vaping indoors etc. is not helping our cause at all.

We need to realize that non-smokers obviously think differently about these devices than we do. I've had so many non-smokers say things like "why don't you just quit?" - they do not realize the challenge of addiction as well as we do. Also, I don't think it really matters if it looks like a cigarette at all - it is emitting vapor which we are slightly educated on, but vapor that many others have no clue about in terms of content etc. I respect this and don't want to put anyone in a position to be uncomfortable, when I can just as easily step out the door and vape away.

With the way things are going, we need as many people on our side as possible. This will not be achieved by pushing the boundaries with our vaping. We have to accept that others, whether through ignorance or just plain lack of knowledge, may not accept these devices immediately.

I think the best thing to do, and I hate to be saying this, is to treat vaping like smoking. Stick to areas where it is allowed (not saying you need to vape right next to smokers), and allow inquiring minds to ask questions and answer as best you can. This will portray a vaping community that is respectful of all others, which is what we need. Let the non-smokers notice as they walk past that you are not emitting smoke, perhaps their curiosity will strike a conversation and support for the "ecig". If not, we have not blown it in their face so to speak.

I think if we can vape in an unobtrusive manner, we will earn the respect of the majority and it will bode well for the future of vaping in general. We need to take one for the team, to protect vaping for ourselves and the many others that can use this to quit smoking analogs in the future.

[hyperdeficit]

I AGREE
I dont vape where i cant smoke. The Sheeple of the media are too ignorant and stupid to understand what an e cig is. We have to be careful with vaping. please people stop doing it in public no smoking places. it is slowly becoming banned. Airlines bars some cities have even tried to and have banned it.
This is one of the reason I hate the .... weeds that work at my local smokign everywhere. they waltz up and down the mall vaping.