Questions about the Electronic Cigarette Association

[seminolewind]

lvlninety9, I agree completely. I would have thought that ECA would have had the figures already to compare the ingredients in all NRT's. Where is it? All the members paying into this group and I haven't seen anything that refutes or fully explains the FDA's findings. ANY association would know that they need FACTS ready to back up attacks containing half truths about the PV. IMHO, Spikey has ran circles around this association - they should be signing up for lessons with her

[lvlninety9]

Seminole forget the lessons give her the reigns. Honestly I feel like Spikey is doing a bang up job and could probably take it even further with the right backing. I just think it's sad that when someone comes up with facts and figures that they completely sidestep the issue and put out a statement about advertising and regulation.I mean come on. Common sense tells you hey they are stating this, let's bring out our facts and findings and discredit them. I am curious though, who's decision was it to ignore what they said and focus on something totally irrelevant to their study?

[seminolewind]

I will likely do that, this week Zofryer - thanks.

When I'm not completely ticked at the FDA, I am appreciative of the quality of food and drugs that I enjoy. They are however, 'ho's. Of that I'm certain.

Some of the issues/questions that have crossed my mind

Smokers have no political power. Zip. No leverage. So smokers will be taxed and whipped at leisure for the continued right to have access to cigarettes. That may not be something that can be changed.

You are so right. Smoker's are society's whipping post. We have no say. And God forbid that now we consider ourselves non-smokers! They completely ignore that too.

For much of the non-smoking community, as long as e-cigarettes are an alternative to smoking, it's undesirable. It fails by association even if the association isn't one-for-one. That's a product of both education and information but also may reflect a prejudice that won't change, regardless.

Prejudice is so true. A large amount of anti-smokers believe PV's are used as a sly way for smokers to get passed the laws (ie. not having to go outside). They're not happy with being "tricked". The stigma, like you said is there. It's too bad way back when they weren't introduced as PV's

Tobacco companies have major political power. = $$$. They'll be coddled, and swabbed down while taking a "beating". Their production may actually benefit if the FDA (I can't believe I'm even writing this) determines and puts it's name on a "better, safer" cigarette. It's better than being shut down point blank, for them.

God, I want that "cigarette" name to go away

Individual management of nicotine is a downside to the medical community - the fact that a user can self-administer and tinker to their heart's content is a win for the vaper but a negative to everyone else. A futurre FDA regulated solution would probably address that and try to eliminate the ability to alter and change the product at will.

My friends and I were laughing the other night about the ways to quit smoking by putting patches all over your body, LOL. All self administered items are free to be tinkered with.


The cost will increase. Safer, better, faster, reliable - whether they're needed or not, improvements will come at a cost. Off the shelf products will simply cost more.

Society wants smokers to stay smokers and stay at the bottom of the totem pole. If smokers become vaperers and remove themselves from the bottom of the societal hierarchy then everyone else moves one rung closer to the bottom.

[seminolewind]

Seminole forget the lessons give her the reigns. Honestly I feel like Spikey is doing a bang up job and could probably take it even further with the right backing. I just think it's sad that when someone comes up with facts and figures that they completely sidestep the issue and put out a statement about advertising and regulation.I mean come on. Common sense tells you hey they are stating this, let's bring out our facts and findings and discredit them. I am curious though, who's decision was it to ignore what they said and focus on something totally irrelevant to their study?

ANYONE OF US could have done a mega better job at a rebuttel than ECA. Anyone of us.

[seminolewind]

I wonder if we could fund Spikey for a more national position (after she wins on LI NY)

[eplanet]

Hello all,

I quickly read these posts...Spikey is doing a fantastic job on Long Island, There is no doubt about that...

The ECA will be coming out with press releases and some exciting things starting next week and in weeks to come...
There are currently about 14 states that are having issues with ecigs and with the whole FDA announcement there is a lot to do, Some organizing is being done and things WILL happen very soon...Please have faith in the ECA, this is no small task! Everyone's support is needed wherever it can be given at the moment and all I can say is hold on to your horses....

May the force be with us....

[lvlninety9]

Hello all,

I quickly read these posts...Spikey is doing a fantastic job on Long Island, There is no doubt about that...

The ECA will be coming out with press releases and some exciting things starting next week and in weeks to come...
There are currently about 14 states that are having issues with ecigs and with the whole FDA announcement there is a lot to do, Some organizing is being done and things WILL happen very soon...Please have faith in the ECA, this is no small task! Everyone's support is needed wherever it can be given at the moment and all I can say is hold on to your horses....

May the force be with us....

While I don't want to disagree with you, you have to take a look at the statement that they issued in response to the FDA teleconference regarding the contents of nicotine cartridges. I'd like to know just what exactly the ECA's response addressed. All I saw were things about regulation and quality control. While I do agree that these issues need to be addressed in response to the FDA's bogus study, they should have issued a statement to THAT fact and not the other issues. I believe that in this war, and yes it is a war, that is the wrong tactic to take as it seems like we are dancing around the big issue that the FDA was trying to address with their little study. All I got out of that was hey we don't know what we are talking about so let's try to throw up a smoke screen about advertising and quality control.


People are becoming leery of e-cigarettes now and quite honestly the failed tactic by the ECA doesn't help. People need to know that this study wasn't of any value not just because they say it is but give the facts that prove it is. Stop dancing around ECA and address the issues thrown at you first then address the issues about quality control and advertising. Seems like you are trying the he said she said tactic and are failing because they have their study. Regardless of the fact that it is nonsense.

[eplanet]

While I don't want to disagree with you, you have to take a look at the statement that they issued in response to the FDA teleconference regarding the contents of nicotine cartridges. I'd like to know just what exactly the ECA's response addressed. All I saw were things about regulation and quality control. While I do agree that these issues need to be addressed in response to the FDA's bogus study, they should have issued a statement to THAT fact and not the other issues. I believe that in this war, and yes it is a war, that is the wrong tactic to take as it seems like we are dancing around the big issue that the FDA was trying to address with their little study. All I got out of that was hey we don't know what we are talking about so let's try to throw up a smoke screen about advertising and quality control.


People are becoming leery of e-cigarettes now and quite honestly the failed tactic by the ECA doesn't help. People need to know that this study wasn't of any value not just because they say it is but give the facts that prove it is. Stop dancing around ECA and address the issues thrown at you first then address the issues about quality control and advertising. Seems like you are trying the he said she said tactic and are failing because they have their study. Regardless of the fact that it is nonsense.

Honestly I have not read it...Right now organization is happening...There is so much going on, things will happen and I think everyone will be surprised. The ECA should have been formed a long time ago, but it was not. There are so many things happening and it does take a tremendous ammount of organization to handle this. The organizing is happening and time is of the essence. I assure you this is in the best interest of us all, we all just want to vape without a hassle...


Peace...I am en route to a Long Island Vapers Club meeting....
I will follow up here a little more over the weekend...

[lvlninety9]

You know I see responses to almost everything from the ECA when someone comes to call them out on a subject and yet on this subject there is no trying to refute my argument. Could this be because they have read what I said and are now thinking to themselves "Hey we did screw the pooch on this one." Or is it that they are afraid to respond to my accusations of the ECA actually being a fraud. Like I said ban me if you want because of my discrediting the ECA I really don't care. But I will continue to point out their failures and will continue my crusade to ensure that they do not steal any more money from ANYONE. The ECA is a joke. If someone who isn't an actual integral part of the ECA can get it right why can't an organization who's main focus is protect our right to vape getting it so wrong? Come on ECA. Where are you? I seen Lacey all over the board and she is a major advocate for the ECA. Where's the response? Why are you failing even more as I type this? ECA will continue to rip you off and do nothing. That statement they issued concerning the FDA is even more proof that they are just there to rip you off.

[seminolewind]

If you really want an association to work, they need to prove themselves. And equally important is that they welcome all members, not based on contribution. Numbers of members sway how many people take you seriously.