ECA vs FDA

[tiffytiff]

I guess nobody thought my last post was worthy of comment??

i did harmony just not real sure what to say but i'll give you 2 thumbs up because i agree whole heartedly!

[TropicalBob]

It was a good post, Harmony. But it didn't shout rah-rah, or sue the FDA, or it's-my-body-and-I'll-do-what-I-want-to, so most posters ignored the truths in it. Realty has fled many, many threads here. It's less and less enlightening to visit ECF and I am bummed at the decline of intelligent discussions that I've seen since January 2008. Very depressing.

If I don't like it, get ... yeh, I know. I do visit less and less these days. And the most intelligent posters of the past have long since given up visiting here. I really miss their input instead of the silly and ignorant screams that get posted now.

Rants will only harden opposition -- but those are the posts of choice now.

[SSRob]

+1 TB

I share the same feelings.

[ladyraj]

I humbly disagree with naysayers and agree with Harmony...the FDA had to take this stance because the e-cig was not submitted for pre-approval for sale on the US market. Prior to HR1256 being signed into law the FDA did not act against the e-cig for a few years. Once health claims were made...the FDA's hands were tied, they had to pre-empt and mandate that all manufacturers were to submit their package for approval. None has that I'm aware of.

Just as entry in to college requires jumping thru hoops and clearing red tape...so does the e-cig for marketing approval. I believe the product will be a go if the proper steps the FDA has been literally begging for are completed. But I'm an optimist. The manufacturers/suppliers have had a good run under radar for a few years...now one has to pay the piper for the marketing strategy of a few.

[grimmer255]

I guess nobody thought my last post was worthy of comment??

I read it and absolutely agree 100% with you.

[Bryn]

It was a good post, Harmony. But it didn't shout rah-rah, or sue the FDA, or it's-my-body-and-I'll-do-what-I-want-to, so most posters ignored the truths in it. Realty has fled many, many threads here. It's less and less enlightening to visit ECF and I am bummed at the decline of intelligent discussions that I've seen since January 2008. Very depressing.

If I don't like it, get ... yeh, I know. I do visit less and less these days. And the most intelligent posters of the past have long since given up visiting here. I really miss their input instead of the silly and ignorant screams that get posted now.

Rants will only harden opposition -- but those are the posts of choice now.

Right to Vape is activist forum for e-cigarettes. Right now we've been organizing it to set it on right track. But it's a very slow board because like you said we just don't have enough posters wanting to have intelligent discussions. I'd love to see your posts over there whenever you can. I have started a thread called "The Technofogger Tarot in the making" in the Wholey of the Technofoggers forum that you might find interesting because a traditional fool gets renamed to smoker (represents the beginning of a journey to e-cigs) ... the chariot (control) has been renamed to FDA ... etc. It's all based on e-cigarette activism. righttovape.com

[TropicalBob]

Bryn: I'm comfortable with my decision to use an e-cig. I own many and use them daily. I bought and received my first in January 2008. But I'm not comfortable advocating their use by others who have not researched the products and understand the unknowns that exist. We are not doing something without risk. We just don't understand the severity or extent of the risks we are taking. That's fine by me.

I was an early poster at Right to Vape (a misnomer name if ever one existed). But I bowed out by saying that if I do something wrong and die, then it's my bad. If I tell others to do something and they die, then it's my crime for as long as I live.

I will preach e-smoking from the rooftops -- when the facts come in and the products are approved. Until then, we have a theory that e-smoking is safer and healthier than tobacco smoking. We have a theory that it can save lives by getting many smokers off tobacco cigarettes for good.

Now let's prove those theories. But until that's done, I have trouble advocating theory as fact to others.

I hope that makes sense to you. I mean it from my heart, and fear life without e-cigs will be terribly difficult for me.

[Bryn]

I am comfortable with e-cigs like you are. I can't speak for others, so I can only speak for myself that ever since I started e-cigs & stopped smoking I feel so much better ... I listen to my body, it thanks me.

I noticed you're from Port Charlotte, FL. How did you make it out with Hurricane Charley or Charlie? Too many hurricanes for me to keep up! I am from Florida, moved to Arkansas 3 years ago. Yeah, I feel like a fish out of water.

Well, do stop by RTV sometime ...

[harmony gardens]

Thanks everyone,,, I still think the basic question to pose to the FDA is,,, what level of safety are you seeking to gain approval??

This will force the FDA to admit that vaping CAN be made safe. We have had statements from the FDA that say it could "maybe" be a safer product, and if we can focus on that,, we force them to our side.

We need to hammer that point, over and over,,,, let's make it safe,,, let's lower health care costs of nicotine addicts, let's save lives, we need to be proactive by framing the question on the positive outcome of developing a safer product.

If all we do is call the FDA names, we'll lose. If we can get them to work with us on a safer alternative,,, everyone wins.

So I suppose everyone will say,,, oh that Harmony,,, what a dreamer,,, guilty!!

[Bryn]

Thanks everyone,,, I still think the basic question to pose to the FDA is,,, what level of safety are you seeking to gain approval??

This will force the FDA to admit that vaping CAN be made safe. We have had statements from the FDA that say it could "maybe" be a safer product, and if we can focus on that,, we force them to our side.

We need to hammer that point, over and over,,,, let's make it safe,,, let's lower health care costs of nicotine addicts, let's save lives, we need to be proactive by framing the question on the positive outcome of developing a safer product.

If all we do is call the FDA names, we'll lose. If we can get them to work with us on a safer alternative,,, everyone wins.

So I suppose everyone will say,,, oh that Harmony,,, what a dreamer,,, guilty!!

We will also need to make sure they won't regulate it as medical device/smoking cessation, turns it over to Big Pharma as a gift. I would hate having to buy e-cig/eliquid at drug stores with dr.'s RX ... for much higher price.

Don't give up, though, dreamer I won't neither.