Prominent Doctors Respond to the FDA

[Angela]

.... to also ban cigarettes completely. (BTW, I can't believe that I just wrote this!)

Nor can I!

....Often people get engaged in an issue only when it affects them personally.

Yes, so now that the issue of cigarettes don't affect you, ban them.

I am amazed at how many vapers on this forum are starting to make the worst antis sound moderate!

[ladyraj]

Nor can I!
Yes, so now that the issue of cigarettes don't affect you, ban them.

I am amazed at how many vapers on this forum are starting to make the worst antis sound moderate!

Angela your my new hero...thanks!

[Sar]

Nor can I!
Yes, so now that the issue of cigarettes don't affect you, ban them.

I am amazed at how many vapers on this forum are starting to make the worst antis sound moderate!

Angela, I was cringing when I wrote that. Didn't even realize how hypocritical my suggestion could sound until you pointed out that "now issue of cigarettes don't affect you". Ouch!

I am certainly not a new anti. I made the suggestion not because I want to ban cigs, but because I'd like to get the powers-that-be away from comparing the safety of PVs to some abstract ideal and compare the safety to what it should be compared to: analogs.

But I also fully realize that hurting one minority group to benefit another is rather immoral.

Hope they allow PVs in hell.

[TropicalBob]

Cigarettes are not going to be banned - in our lifetime. They have history on their side. They have too many users to send into ballistic fury by a ban. They are a cash cow of the first rank. No, cigs are safe. It's their USE that will be increasingly banned. Smokers are being driven into an ever-smaller corral and fewer are able to pay Uncle for their expensive habit.

In the past two days, Orange County (Florida) decreed a $25 per paycheck added cost for all smokers on the county payroll. And Edison State College in Charlotte County (Florida) went tobacco-free with great public fanfare. Absolutely no tobacco product can be used on campus.

The big fear is that the new tobacco bill will ban Reduced Risk Tobacco Products. Read it carefully and ask if smokers will be able to turn to far safer alternatives such as snus, dissolvables and snuff. Those are likely to be on the chopping block within three years.

Take away e-cigs (that's coming very soon) and then ban the alternative tobacco products as taxes and product prices are jacked even higher. Addicts will have only the two choices government wants: cigarettes or NRT products.

Given the demands on tobacco companies under the new law, don't be surprised to see a pack of cigarettes at $10 within two years. Given the economic pressures on state governments, additional taxes seem likely, since the fewest voters are angered by such a move.

Cigs will be safe. But can anyone but the rich afford to smoke them in the privacy of their island home?

[Angela]

No probs, Sar. I had read several 'anti-smoking' posts in relatively quick succession and had bitten my tongue, so your post was really just the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak!

Hope they allow PVs in hell.

Well, I'll be right beside you vaping away...
bring a good selection of liquids and we can trade flavours!

[TheIllustratedMan]

I don't advocate calling for a ban of cigarettes.

That said, I do think that we necessarily have to point out the differences between the risks associated with smoking and the risks associated with "vaping". That means pointing out things like: smoking kills 400,000 Americans a year, there are thousands of chemicals and dozens of carcinogens in cigarette smoke, and so on. These are all things that we've all known for a long time, and accepted the risks over the benefits (even if that decision was encouraged by a chemical). It is not the same as being anti-smoking, it's just being pro-reduced-harm. In order to advocate using alternatives to smoking with the goal of reducing the harm to yourself and others, you need to acknowledge that that harm exists in the first place. If we just say "smoking's not all that bad, but this thing's pretty cool and tastes nice so I don't want you to take away my new toy" we're just spinning our wheels and nothing good is going to happen.

-Nate

[LaceyUnderall]

In response to the FDA analysis of the electronic cigarette, nJoy had an Independent lab analyze the data put forth in the FDA's toxicology report. Their results were very interesting and call into question the validity of the FDA's report.

Contained in this blog post is the actual PDF so you can read what the independent lab has to say regarding the study and the findings. Please feel free to disperse the post or the PDF internet wide as journalists who are promoting the idea that the FDA study is quality, can possibly do a follow up story like the one recently posted in the Washington Times.

Technical Review and Analysis of FDA Report: Evaluation of e-cigarettes

[l_____l]

Here is a good read (subject line)

It's quite en-depth. Way beyond my chemistry 101