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ckc · 08-31-2009, 06:14 PM

I agree with it so Dugg it. Its a good step by the ECA.

I do have one quiery, where did the 'more than 1 million E-Cig users number' come from?

LaceyUnderall · 08-31-2009, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckc

I agree with it so Dugg it. Its a good step by the ECA.

I do have one quiery, where did the 'more than 1 million E-Cig users number' come from?

It is an estimate based on the number of sets sold.

TropicalBob · 08-31-2009, 08:46 PM

Sad effort, that this is the top priority to request of government. And does anyone really think Congress is going to take up a bill for an age limit on e-cigs? I mean, Congress does have important stuff to consider. Sorry, but this is almost laughable. E-cigs are NOTHING to them. Not even a gnat on an elephant's butt.

The FDA is the agency with our fate in its hands. Not long ago, Congress passed sweeping reforms to hand FDA control over tobacco. Before the vote, that body spoke loudly to "harm reduction." What it said was "not interested." Steve Buyer heard it in the House. Richard Burr heard it in the Senate. We didn't?

Now the FDA has tobacco and drugs under its control. I can only wish in my wildest dream that e-cigs are neither a tobacco product or a drug delivery system. The reality is that they likley will be branded one or the other by a federal judge. And soon. Then, it will be the FDA, not Congress, setting the rules.

LaceyUnderall · 08-31-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TropicalBob

Not even a gnat on an elephant's butt.

There's the lighter side of TB (I know it was meant from you as sarcastic).

Just FYI... a newbee is on the hunt for cigar type flavors and while taste is subjective... I did send him? on his way to find posts of yours in the smokeless tobacco forum so just heads up in case he comes a knockin!

TropicalBob · 08-31-2009, 11:08 PM

I'll be on the lookout.

bizzyb0t · 09-01-2009, 01:45 AM

How many kids have credit cards and/or PayPal accounts to buy e-cigs? Even the porn industry uses credit cards to "verify" age. The only vendors really needing to worry about "kids" buying e-cigs is those mall kiosks. And since SE is the only e-cig vendor I see in the malls, really it makes the ECA just look like an arm of NJoy and SE.

OMG, the ECA is fusterclucked if selling to minors is their biggest concern. The only vendor that's even been reported selling e-cigs to any minors was Smoking Everywhere, at one of those mall kiosks.

Is this ECA letter sent to congress to go along with the CA State Senate Ellen Corbett proposed Bill 400 to congress??

EDIT: http://www.sacbee.com/politics/story/2108562.html

LaceyUnderall · 09-01-2009, 05:04 PM

Bizzy -

Thank you for that link! What a positive, realistic light the ELECTRONIC CIGARETTE INDUSTRY was portrayed! Mission accomplished

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"But Matt Salmon, a former Arizona congressman who runs the Electronic Cigarette Association, representing about a dozen firms, said that members are committed not to sell to minors.

"I just think it's common sense that you don't want kids hooked on nicotine," Salmon said. "That's a bad precedent, bad policy."

Besides, kids who are determined to smoke would seek cheaper tobacco products rather than fork out about $80 for an e-cigarette starter kit that accommodates $2 cartridges, he said.

"It's committed, long-term smokers that are buying this product," Salmon said."

****

OOO and this section is pretty good too! A message I see rolling through ECF everyday!

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In the United States, it would make little sense to crack down on e-cigarettes while permitting the adult sale of tobacco cigarettes, whose health dangers are indisputable, Salmon said.

"It's about freedom," he said of e-cigarettes. "It's about a whole host of things. But many people out there feel that this is a far better alternative for them than tobacco."

E-cigarettes are not marketed as a smoking cessation product, but many consumers have used them for that purpose, Salmon said.

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Timekey · 10-12-2009, 03:41 AM

The ECA is irrelevant. The future of the e-cig in this country is hanging in the balance tonight in California and the ECA has done what exactly? Oh yes that would be nothing. Not a response or even a mention on their web-site. I sure hope you suppliers who believe in the ECA so strongly aren't throwing too much money away at this fruitless endeavor.

LaceyUnderall · 10-12-2009, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Timekey

The future of the e-cig in this country is hanging in the balance tonight in California and the ECA has done what exactly? Oh yes that would be nothing.

I have always found these types of statements to be very interesting.

If someone could please point me to the public forum where NFL coaches post their playbooks prior to the big game, I would sure love to know about it... Then again... the Colts are whooping arse this year

Kate51 · 10-12-2009, 06:51 AM

I don't believe there is a single state that doesn't prohibit sales of cigarettes to minors, if they don't they are a little behind the eight ball. So why would any further Legislation be required. Not. It should be a no-brainer, but then, some states also still haven't adopted some of the sexual assault of a child enhanced punishments either (Meagan's Law). Wouldn't wish to take anything for granted.

08-31-2009, 06:14 PM	#11
ckc Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: uk Posts: 268	I agree with it so Dugg it. Its a good step by the ECA. I do have one quiery, where did the 'more than 1 million E-Cig users number' come from? __________________ Tomorrow Belongs To Me Last edited by ckc; 08-31-2009 at 06:17 PM.

09-01-2009, 01:45 AM	#16
bizzyb0t US Supplier Forum Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Denver CO, USA Posts: 704 Blog Entries: 1 Tweet this post!	How many kids have credit cards and/or PayPal accounts to buy e-cigs? Even the porn industry uses credit cards to "verify" age. The only vendors really needing to worry about "kids" buying e-cigs is those mall kiosks. And since SE is the only e-cig vendor I see in the malls, really it makes the ECA just look like an arm of NJoy and SE. OMG, the ECA is fusterclucked if selling to minors is their biggest concern. The only vendor that's even been reported selling e-cigs to any minors was Smoking Everywhere, at one of those mall kiosks. Is this ECA letter sent to congress to go along with the CA State Senate Ellen Corbett proposed Bill 400 to congress?? EDIT: http://www.sacbee.com/politics/story/2108562.html __________________ VaporStuff.com ≡ Will be back ASAP! FRAK YOU Ash.org! Last edited by bizzyb0t; 09-01-2009 at 01:53 AM.

09-01-2009, 05:04 PM	#17
LaceyUnderall USA Supplier Forum Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: US and Canada Posts: 2,707	Bizzy - Thank you for that link! What a positive, realistic light the ELECTRONIC CIGARETTE INDUSTRY was portrayed! Mission accomplished ** "But Matt Salmon, a former Arizona congressman who runs the Electronic Cigarette Association, representing about a dozen firms, said that members are committed not to sell to minors. "I just think it's common sense that you don't want kids hooked on nicotine," Salmon said. "That's a bad precedent, bad policy." Besides, kids who are determined to smoke would seek cheaper tobacco products rather than fork out about $80 for an e-cigarette starter kit that accommodates $2 cartridges, he said. "It's committed, long-term smokers that are buying this product," Salmon said." OOO and this section is pretty good too! A message I see rolling through ECF everyday! In the United States, it would make little sense to crack down on e-cigarettes while permitting the adult sale of tobacco cigarettes, whose health dangers are indisputable, Salmon said. "It's about freedom," he said of e-cigarettes. "It's about a whole host of things. But many people out there feel that this is a far better alternative for them than tobacco." E-cigarettes are not marketed as a smoking cessation product, but many consumers have used them for that purpose, Salmon said. ** __________________ INSTEAD Electronic Cigarettes and Blog \| I Support the Electronic Cigarette Association \| Right To Vape - A Consumer Organization Defending Your Right To Use a Personal Vaporizer

10-12-2009, 06:51 AM	#20
Kate51 Supporting Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Argyle Wi USA Posts: 1,935	I don't believe there is a single state that doesn't prohibit sales of cigarettes to minors, if they don't they are a little behind the eight ball. So why would any further Legislation be required. Not. It should be a no-brainer, but then, some states also still haven't adopted some of the sexual assault of a child enhanced punishments either (Meagan's Law). Wouldn't wish to take anything for granted. __________________ Smokers have more choices than just quitting or dying

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08-31-2009, 08:46 PM	#13
TropicalBob ECF Veteran Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Charlotte, FL USA Posts: 5,076	Sad effort, that this is the top priority to request of government. And does anyone really think Congress is going to take up a bill for an age limit on e-cigs? I mean, Congress does have important stuff to consider. Sorry, but this is almost laughable. E-cigs are NOTHING to them. Not even a gnat on an elephant's butt. The FDA is the agency with our fate in its hands. Not long ago, Congress passed sweeping reforms to hand FDA control over tobacco. Before the vote, that body spoke loudly to "harm reduction." What it said was "not interested." Steve Buyer heard it in the House. Richard Burr heard it in the Senate. We didn't? Now the FDA has tobacco and drugs under its control. I can only wish in my wildest dream that e-cigs are neither a tobacco product or a drug delivery system. The reality is that they likley will be branded one or the other by a federal judge. And soon. Then, it will be the FDA, not Congress, setting the rules.

08-31-2009, 11:08 PM	#15
TropicalBob ECF Veteran Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Charlotte, FL USA Posts: 5,076	I'll be on the lookout.

10-12-2009, 03:41 AM	#18
Timekey Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 41	The ECA is irrelevant. The future of the e-cig in this country is hanging in the balance tonight in California and the ECA has done what exactly? Oh yes that would be nothing. Not a response or even a mention on their web-site. I sure hope you suppliers who believe in the ECA so strongly aren't throwing too much money away at this fruitless endeavor.