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kristin · 10-08-2009, 04:39 PM

Why do people seem to forget that parents often frequent "kids" stores as well - especially something like the Disney store. My teen wouldn't go near there. Most likely that is why the kiosk was there - to catch the parents - who are usually adults. An e-cig retailer would be stupid to focus on kids when that is not their most profitable demographic. The only one who thinks that is ASH. Cigarettes in general just aren't that high on the priority list for most teenagers and ones that are already smoking do so because it's cool and that is what their friends are doing and it's cheap (they usually share packs.) If kids want something that tastes good, they'll spend $1.75 on cool (and oh-so-healthy) energy drinks, not $150 on an e-cig that...ewwww....their parents use. Look at the age polls here. Over 75% of of owners are over the age of 30, for pete's sake. Not only that, teenagers are the laziest creatures on earth - e-cigs take a lot of upkeep.

But on the point Lacey made - kids will get stuff they want no matter WHERE you put them, so taking them out of malls is pointless.

The point is, they don't even WANT them.

kristin · 10-08-2009, 04:43 PM

ooops - I forgot to comment on the OP! LOL

GREAT find! I think it's an awesome idea and would immediately eleminate one scare tactic from the ASH arsenal.

kristin · 10-08-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang394

So your saying this data base knows the color of my first car? I find that hard to believe?

It would be in the DMV records - so, yes.

Only certain government officials and those properly licensed (like private investigators) can access those records, so a kid definitely couldn't get in there.

TheIllustratedMan · 10-08-2009, 05:50 PM

Ehm... what if even *I* don't know the color of my first car or where I lived when I was 21? For instance... I'm pretty sure that my first car was registered to my dad, and my current car is registered to my fiance. Not totally sure that I've ever had a car registered in my name. I also find it a little creepy that this system has access to all of that data.

However, it's a pretty excellent idea. I support it.

kristin · 10-08-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheIllustratedMan

Ehm... what if even *I* don't know the color of my first car or where I lived when I was 21? For instance... I'm pretty sure that my first car was registered to my dad, and my current car is registered to my fiance. Not totally sure that I've ever had a car registered in my name. I also find it a little creepy that this system has access to all of that data.

However, it's a pretty excellent idea. I support it.

I'm sure the system is set up with a lot of questions, in case you don't remember some. You probably have to just get a certain number of them correct. (You seriously don't remember the color of your first car?? I remember the color of all of my cars!)

So, they'd probably ask the color of a different car or the style/make or whatever - something you don't currently own. Or what your job was in a certain year. What schools you went to, what city someone was married in, year they were married, etc. A lot of these things kids would have no clue, but could be verified with the right software.

Any licensed private investigator has access to the DMV, but the average person can't even buy access, so it's not so bad.

TheIllustratedMan · 10-08-2009, 06:24 PM

Well, it was green, but I don't remember if it was ever technically my car, so I may not be able to answer that question, is all I'm saying.

sayuwont · 10-09-2009, 02:49 AM

That's a great idea. However, Isn't credit card verification enough?? I mean you have to be at least 18 to have a credit card and although SOME *ahem* parents allow their spoiled children access to their personal credit cards wouldn't that be fault on the parents'?

I don't see the big issue where people think e cigs are marketed to kids.. There aren't any cartoon characters on the packaging or advertisements, no brightly kiddy colors, e cigs are not priced to attract children. Mainly it is not marketed to be cool, it is a 'smoking alternative'!

kristin · 10-09-2009, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sayuwont

That's a great idea. However, Isn't credit card verification enough?? I mean you have to be at least 18 to have a credit card and although SOME *ahem* parents allow their spoiled children access to their personal credit cards wouldn't that be fault on the parents'?

I don't see the big issue where people think e cigs are marketed to kids.. There aren't any cartoon characters on the packaging or advertisements, no brightly kiddy colors, e cigs are not priced to attract children. Mainly it is not marketed to be cool, it is a 'smoking alternative'!

My kids had my credit card info memorized, so that's too easy to get around!

grimmer255 · 10-09-2009, 03:44 AM

sweet Im glad to see that the suppliers are taking action to make sure that there is no underage buyers.... two thumbs up for this.

mpetva · 10-09-2009, 05:54 AM

As for e-cig kiosks in front of Disney Stores etc. Perhaps the reasoning is that people who have children are more motivated to go to a smoke free smoking alternative?

Just a thought....

10-08-2009, 04:39 PM	#11
kristin Super Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,402	Why do people seem to forget that parents often frequent "kids" stores as well - especially something like the Disney store. My teen wouldn't go near there. Most likely that is why the kiosk was there - to catch the parents - who are usually adults. An e-cig retailer would be stupid to focus on kids when that is not their most profitable demographic. The only one who thinks that is ASH. Cigarettes in general just aren't that high on the priority list for most teenagers and ones that are already smoking do so because it's cool and that is what their friends are doing and it's cheap (they usually share packs.) If kids want something that tastes good, they'll spend $1.75 on cool (and oh-so-healthy) energy drinks, not $150 on an e-cig that...ewwww....their parents use. Look at the age polls here. Over 75% of of owners are over the age of 30, for pete's sake. Not only that, teenagers are the laziest creatures on earth - e-cigs take a lot of upkeep. But on the point Lacey made - kids will get stuff they want no matter WHERE you put them, so taking them out of malls is pointless. The point is, they don't even WANT them. __________________ Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Your 510 FAQ's Thread Tobacco Free Since 8/21/09

10-08-2009, 04:43 PM	#12
kristin Super Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,402	ooops - I forgot to comment on the OP! LOL GREAT find! I think it's an awesome idea and would immediately eleminate one scare tactic from the ASH arsenal. __________________ Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Your 510 FAQ's Thread Tobacco Free Since 8/21/09

10-09-2009, 03:44 AM	#19
grimmer255 Super Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: somewhere out there...... Posts: 1,510	sweet Im glad to see that the suppliers are taking action to make sure that there is no underage buyers.... two thumbs up for this. __________________

10-09-2009, 05:54 AM	#20
mpetva Super Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Posts: 398	As for e-cig kiosks in front of Disney Stores etc. Perhaps the reasoning is that people who have children are more motivated to go to a smoke free smoking alternative? Just a thought.... __________________ Thanks to "VAPING" Alone We Fly...Together We Soar!

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10-08-2009, 05:50 PM	#14
TheIllustratedMan Crusader Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 413	Ehm... what if even I don't know the color of my first car or where I lived when I was 21? For instance... I'm pretty sure that my first car was registered to my dad, and my current car is registered to my fiance. Not totally sure that I've ever had a car registered in my name. I also find it a little creepy that this system has access to all of that data. However, it's a pretty excellent idea. I support it.

10-08-2009, 06:24 PM	#16
TheIllustratedMan Crusader Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 413	Well, it was green, but I don't remember if it was ever technically my car, so I may not be able to answer that question, is all I'm saying.

10-09-2009, 02:49 AM	#17
sayuwont Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 9	That's a great idea. However, Isn't credit card verification enough?? I mean you have to be at least 18 to have a credit card and although SOME ahem parents allow their spoiled children access to their personal credit cards wouldn't that be fault on the parents'? I don't see the big issue where people think e cigs are marketed to kids.. There aren't any cartoon characters on the packaging or advertisements, no brightly kiddy colors, e cigs are not priced to attract children. Mainly it is not marketed to be cool, it is a 'smoking alternative'!