Dekang DEG Testing Pool: Looking for suppliers to share cost with

[syntaxevasion]

I shopped around and found a lab that can test for DEG to 1 part per million for about 700 dollars (I think it's $698)

We use Dekang liquids like I'm sure many of you do, and plan on using a combination of our flavors for the sample.

Any suppliers that would like to participate in the cost will receive a copy of the results.

Post them on your page, send out a newsletter, etc.

Please let me know if you are interested, contact me via PM or skype

Thanks,
Ben

[TnA]

I'm a small fish and just starting up, but I'd be happy to chip in.

But aren't you afraid it's just going to meet the same wall of "but it hasn't been peer-reviewed" comments/statements?

[quovadis]

Ask bloody Dekang to pay !!

[syntaxevasion]

Don't see that happening...

Hey Tammy, would your company be willing to pay for a United States lab to test for diethylene glycol.. It's only 697 dollars for a sample and we could send the results to customers.
[2:05:39 AM] Ben: Ask your manager, I'm curious
[2:05:50 AM] Ben: I have lots of vendors that are interested in this
[2:05:54 AM] Ben: all use your liquids
[2:06:01 AM] Ben: for liquid test
[2:06:44 AM] Tammy ^_^: but our liquids don't contain DEG
[2:07:05 AM] Ben: Right, but lots of people will only trust a lab test if we have it here
[2:07:26 AM] Ben: then once it's tested, we'll send you the result so you can use it for advertising
[2:07:46 AM] Ben: it's not fair, but lots of americans don't trust china until they see USA testing
[2:07:56 AM] Ben: so, you think your boss will agree?
[2:08:25 AM] Tammy ^_^: you mean we send a liquid sample to test and if the test report says no DEG. then we can advertise
[2:08:27 AM] Tammy ^_^: ?
[2:09:06 AM] Ben: I have lots of your liquid here, I could send the sample to the lab. .Your company could pay for it and I'd give the test to you.. You could post it on your website as proof
[2:09:13 AM] Ben: gain more trust
[2:10:03 AM] Tammy ^_^: ok, let me talk to the manager
[2:11:54 AM] Tammy ^_^: the manager said we did it
[2:12:02 AM] Tammy ^_^: Njoy did for us
[2:12:11 AM] Ben: Well where is it?
[2:12:19 AM] Tammy ^_^: in Njoy
[2:12:30 AM] Ben: In Njoy.. How does that help you, or all your other customers?
[2:12:31 AM] Tammy ^_^: Njoy pay much to test it
[2:13:13 AM] Ben: talking about testing your liquids, will get it done.. then you can post the results on your site
[2:13:23 AM] Ben: that would look very good for your company, I think!
[2:14:24 AM] Tammy ^_^: the manager said we did it
[2:14:34 AM] Tammy ^_^: and if the american lab do it
[2:14:35 AM] Ben: well could you send me a link or a copy?
[2:14:41 AM] Ben: i would like to see
[2:18:00 AM] Tammy ^_^: have finished
Tammy ^_^
[2:18:42 AM] Tammy ^_^: Tammy ^_^ 发送了文件 "Response-to-the-FDA-Summary[1].pdf" 给此会话中的成员
[2:18:46 AM] Tammy ^_^: look at this
[2:18:51 AM] Tammy ^_^: it's the beginning
[2:18:51 AM] Ben: k
[2:19:02 AM] Tammy ^_^: the left will be done
[2:21:20 AM] Ben: doesn't say anything about Boge or Dekang
[2:21:24 AM] Ben: :P
[2:21:39 AM] Tammy ^_^: it's the begging
[2:22:30 AM] Ben: Nor does it say anyting about liquid, just cartridge.. Good report though
[2:23:26 AM] Tammy ^_^: others is being in process


ETC ETC.. You can go round and round but you'll just get different lines. If I spent 100k with them a month I might expect to get some straight and useful answers, but I don't think any of us do that.

Ben

[spradling]

I'm up for it, as long as we're a bunch and I don't have to pay so much lol.

I'll send you an email.

You should post this in the suppliers private forum.

[LaceyUnderall]

If you want to put your money to good use, you will test the second hand vapor. And possibly the first hand vapor.

If the intended use of the liquid is to turn it into a vapor, then what is in the liquid is really secondary concern. It is what is inhaled and then exhaled.

You would need to do an exhaustive test looking for all of the typical by-products of second hand smoke including the nicotine content in the vapor both inhaled and exhaled.

Could you get a quote for that?

[Vaporista]

Originally Posted by syntaxevasion

I shopped around and found a lab that can test for DEG to 1 part per million for about 700 dollars (I think it's $698)

We use Dekang liquids like I'm sure many of you do, and plan on using a combination of our flavors for the sample.

Any suppliers that would like to participate in the cost will receive a copy of the results.

Post them on your page, send out a newsletter, etc.

Please let me know if you are interested, contact me via PM or skype

Thanks,
Ben

What is $700 to a US Distributor who is making, say over $xx K Profit per year?
I mean seriously folks. Think about it. Maybe you can all get a sample of a different flavour tested and compare the results.

[kinabaloo]

Originally Posted by LaceyUnderall

If you want to put your money to good use, you will test the second hand vapor. And possibly the first hand vapor.

If the intended use of the liquid is to turn it into a vapor, then what is in the liquid is really secondary concern. It is what is inhaled and then exhaled.

You would need to do an exhaustive test looking for all of the typical by-products of second hand smoke including the nicotine content in the vapor both inhaled and exhaled.

Could you get a quote for that?

Agree, have been saying this for some time. Ultimately, it's what's in the vapor that matters (and quite possibly not such good news; but hopefully not too bad either; expect a dozen nasties, but in very small amounts). A comprehensive analysis of everything in the vapor has never been done, afaik. It would be a lot more expensive.

But it also makes sense to reassure the majority of consumers that DeKang liquid is good. And although it makes sense for DeKang to pay, it also would look best to consumers if it not paid by DeKang.

20 distributors paying $50 each is not too bad. Best check with the tester how many samples can be done for the price - to cover a range of strengths and flavored / unflavored.

[syntaxevasion]

Originally Posted by Vaporista

What is $700 to a US Distributor who is making, say over $xx K Profit per year?
I mean seriously folks. Think about it. Maybe you can all get a sample of a different flavour tested and compare the results.

We're submitting multiple samples for this.. The DEG test, while not comprehensive by any means, is a good starting point to mitigate concerns stemming from the FDA's detection of DEG in a cartridge they tested.

We're combining multiple liquids for the sample...

[syntaxevasion]

I imagine the vaporized liquid would be fairly similar in composition to the liquid itself. Boil water and you get steam...

--Though I did read something about the possibility of TSNAs being poorly volatilized, therefore suggesting the possibility that the vapor may contain less bad stuff than the liquid.

I'm checking into a more comprehensive screening as well, TSNA etc