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    I have been listening to the BBC news and apparently there are steps to ban all e cigarettes from use in public places. Will this spread to the rest of the UK and then onto other countries?

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    I don't live in Wales and I'm not aware of the smoking logs there.
    But if they're if this law imposed on ecigarettes is the same as the one applied to analogs, I wouldn't complain much

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    As I live in England I've heard this mentioned a few times in the local press. Unfortunately it is how our government act when we 'undermine the law'. It's embarrassing for them that we are apparently making a mockery of them in huge numbers by continuing to 'smoke' indoors using what they see as simply a loophole that leaves them with egg on their face. It's only because it's so popular now and uninformed anti-smokers are complaining, that they feel the need to put their foot down.

    A typical example of the scaremongering here happened only a few days ago. The newspapers were raging about an elderly woman whos e-cigarette exploded and ignited her oxygen supply in hospital, causing severe burns. This was all over the front pages. The next day in a MUCH smaller section was the revelation that she had been trying to light it using a cigarette lighter The week before on the front pages was a worker in a pub who was injured by an ecig battery explosion. Barely a mention of the guy who was charging it in a very silly manner. It is this kind of reporting that is causing so many headaches for us here.

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    I'm the same as aftercafe, if the same rules applied as cigarettes I wouldn't be too bothered as I mainly vape in my bedroom =P It would still be stupid though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky1384 View Post
    As I live in England I've heard this mentioned a few times in the local press. Unfortunately it is how our government act when we 'undermine the law'. It's embarrassing for them that we are apparently making a mockery of them in huge numbers by continuing to 'smoke' indoors using what they see as simply a loophole that leaves them with egg on their face. It's only because it's so popular now and uninformed anti-smokers are complaining, that they feel the need to put their foot down.

    A typical example of the scaremongering here happened only a few days ago. The newspapers were raging about an elderly woman whos e-cigarette exploded and ignited her oxygen supply in hospital, causing severe burns. This was all over the front pages. The next day in a MUCH smaller section was the revelation that she had been trying to light it using a cigarette lighter The week before on the front pages was a worker in a pub who was injured by an ecig battery explosion. Barely a mention of the guy who was charging it in a very silly manner. It is this kind of reporting that is causing so many headaches for us here.
    It seems ecigs are getting a lot of bad media, when the cause always seems to be stupidity rather than a fault with the device. I mean the one below where the puppy chewed a nicotine refill could have been avoided, yet they brand refill as 'dangerous' when somebody was stupid enough to leave it in reach of the puppy.

    www. bbc .co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-27142760
    BBC News - Leicester woman's 'shock' as 'e-cig explodes' in car

    www. bbc .co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-26231522
    BBC News - 'Dangerous' e-cigarette nicotine capsule kills puppy
    Last edited by sonicdsl; 04-29-2014 at 06:03 PM. Reason: broke links
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    To be fair, the puppy one sounds as though the owner made a genuine mistake and obviously regrets it. The dangerous stuff is all typical media fare (in that they will describe anything as dangerous just to add a little excitement). The woman's reaction is over the top to me, saying she will only use disposables now. She just needs educating about Ecigs

    Sometimes I have to remind myself that the vast majority of ecig users do not belong to a forum, they don't research much and there's a lot of stuff out there that they have never seen or don't know how to use. They would scoff at the price of a Provari and give you a blank stare when you ask about lithium battery safety. It's just unfortunate that the tiny fraction of a % of people who get on the wrong side of a battery or nicotine is a reporters dream and is what causes scaremongering and ultimately government action amidst the outcry from the general public.

    The most irritating thing to me is that the government picks and chooses what it feels like banning or restricting. The most obvious case of that is the farce that followed the Dunblane massacre. Because they failed to spot a psychopath when doing their background checks for a firearms license, they feel the need to completely ban all handguns except .22's. Then they take those too. THEN completely ignore the obvious fact that they have taken only certain weapons from law abiding normal people, but the criminals must gave forgotten to hand theirs in and the crime rate rockets up.
    They also must have missed their own loopholes describing a handgun as less than 24" total length and a barrel length smaller than 12". There are many handguns in this country which are perfectly legal, because they have a long barrel and a thin piece of bar extending from the grip!

    There are many cases showing their ignorance and stupidity, and it's unfortunate that they may make it very difficult to carry on this amazing, life preserving hobby because they are ignorant of the facts, extremely short sighted and pay too much mind to the media.
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    This doesn't make one bit of difference to me.

    I'm of the mind that I don't mind going to a 'smokers' area cos at the end of the day 99% of us were smokers and the more we hang with them the more they'll see our kit and our health, and ask us about vaping. I don't mind the smell either, it's something I'm glad to smell outside of my own home. Not until the smell of cigarettes doesn't affect you can you consider yourself an ex-smoker (my opinion only). Until people learn the difference between smoking and vaping it's they way it was always destined to be.

    Anyone in the East Riding will prob be glad to hear I'm opening an internet cafe soon, and at the back will be a (ventilated) vape cafe. Maybe sell some liquids, have a few open for clients to test, maybe even a few tanks/cartos and of course free advice. The sooner peeps see these high-street kits as starters and there's a load more options the better.

    There will always be people who don't see the difference!!

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    Sites like Gizmodo don't help by publishing the results of testing without giving details of where to find the details of the testing procedures or even detailed results. Of course carcinogens are released when you drip a fluid on a glowing coil, even glycerine burns at the right temperature.
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    I wouldn't be happy with having to go back in to the smoking areas. At work, I am not allowed to vape indoors, but we have some benches outside where we are allowed to. Only problem is the is no shelter, so when it rains heavily I go to the smoking shelter, and since I quit I can't stand the smell. It's a shame, because most of the other vapers still use the smoking area, and I enjoy having a chat with them, but the smoke is just too much for me.

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    A number of things you can do to resist the proposed e-cig ban(for use in Public places) are summarised here

    1) sign up to the Thunderclap https://www.thunderclap.it/projects/...cigs?locale=en 391 people already have .Anyone from Any Country can sign this

    2) Sign the petition https://www.assemblywales.org/epetit...tm?pet_id=1023 currently signed by 563 ..again ANYONE from ANYWHERE can sign this

    3 If you are Welsh reply + comment on the White Paper proposals

    What its all about https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=Q1BNTHi7YYk

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    3 Items from Monday

    ITV Wales programme on proposed Ban + 2 excellent blogs ( The first one contains a link to the ITV programme)

    Wales This Week, Smoke Without Fire? | bekivapes

    http://jester-midnightmusings.blogspot.co.uk/

    The poll referred to in the programme - further enquiries revealed this

    "SAMPLE- 1035 Welsh adults.
    The Welsh Government is proposing to extend the ban on smoking in enclosed public places to include e-cigarettes, which do not contain tobacco. They are marketed as an aid to giving up cigarettes but there are also fears that they encourage people to take up smoking.
    Do you think that e-cigarettes...
    Encourage smoking - 15%
    Help to reduce smoking - 42%
    Both - 19%
    Neither - 9%
    Don't know - 15%
    Do you think that the ban on smoking in enclosed public places should be extended to include e-cigarettes?
    Should - 52%
    Should Not - 37%
    Don't know - 11%
    Do you think that the ban on cigarette advertising should be extended to include e-cigarettes?
    Should - 52%
    Should Not - 34%
    Don't know - 14%"

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