Offensive content (Rule Thread #1)

[lordmage]

Originally Posted by MaryKay

Are we talking about drift? Where a thread is started about e-liquid and how much glycerin to use..then it evolves into the best place to buy glycerin?
Is this rule going to be enforced in the social groups? I insist the ladies stay on topic in the main body of the forum, but I just don't care if we go off topic in that forum. The best threads evolve and take u turns.
Also are you guys talking about a thread in the ..let's say e-cig discussion area and some body says..hey it's my birthday today. Then 5 people wish them well before returning to the topic?
Or are we talking about a blatant hi-jack or troll post?
This rule will be my downfall!..Just start giving me points now..lol

Sorrry, Lordmage and Nuck said all this better in the post's above!

first mary i think when it comes to natural flow like you suggest above with the VG. i think that is fine and so should be the birthday post but if the birthday post become all its about without an attempt to return to topic then it may. again i think it is to cover the hijacker who keeps trying to steer the talk without joining in the topic. all the rules are open to suggestion if someone dont like the wording suggest a change and will talk about it.

[Nuck]

Ok..here is a related scenario that has played out numerous times and will hopefully not play out after the issues are worked out.

A topic is started and for whatever reason it drifts. Everyone is following the flow and joking around. A mod comes in, warns everyone to stay on topic and deletes a bunch of messages. Any posts questioning the deletion are met with warnings and a standard 'do not discuss moderation' link.

Not only has all the fun instantly being sucked out of the thread, but you now have a bunch more members p.ssed at being treated like children. Left alone, most issues resolves themselves between members and most threads find there own level without mod intervention.

Mod intervention should be for the extremes. It should be handled privately when possible. I really appreciate the attempt at clarity of the rules but without some modding of the mods, the issues will undoubtedly keep reappearing.

Pipe and Dnakr are amazing mods. The reason is because you are rarely aware they are modding. Contrast that with some of the other mods.

[dnakr]

Pipe and Dnakr are amazing mods. The reason is because you are rarely aware they are modding. Contrast that with some of the other mods.

Thanks but I haven't been modding for the last 2 months - have had some personal issues I have been taking care of. I would come here quite frequently and read but did not help in modding.

[Cancer]

Nuck is right, I never had a bad experience on this FORUM ever. That is until the Mods came along like the "FDA", to protect me from harm. Maybe SJ does not realize that E-smokers face persecution by GOVERNMENTS and now by the forum we have used to vent and seek refuge. Anybody wonder if the FDA or British or Canadian governments are telling SJ to slowly kill this place? Get all the hardcore members to leave, then there will be less of a stink when it is shuttered. Food for thought

[ZambucaLu]

When members are having a meaningful conversation and other members just come in and post "drivel" just for fun (or whatever their reason), yes, the OT posts can be deleted and mention made to get back on topic.

If you want to post "drivel" in an otherwise engaging thread, why not start a new thread instead?

I have had several complaints about this in the past. People are trying to discuss an enjoyable or serious topic and someone comes in with a BS post...for what reason? Then others jump in with BS posts and before you know it, a good thread is full of junk...and the people who were originally enjoying the conversation now have to filter through all of that. Well, I have found that most people really do not like that....and it is totally unnecessary

Yes, that is annoying and it is totally appropriate in such situations for a mod to come in and say "OK, lets get back on topic here". Good lord...that is our job!

Lu

[Cancer]

But MODERATE those threads...not each and every darn sentence on the entire forum. Sit back relax, till THESE posters report THESE hijacked threads.

[dohsma]

Originally Posted by Cancer

But MODERATE those threads...not each and every darn sentence on the entire forum. Sit back relax, till THESE posters report THESE hijacked threads.

Can I get an amen!

[Nuck]

Originally Posted by SambucaLu

When members are having a meaningful conversation and other members just come in and post "drivel" just for fun (or whatever their reason), yes, the OT posts can be deleted and mention made to get back on topic.

If you want to post "drivel" in an otherwise engaging thread, why not start a new thread instead?

I have had several complaints about this in the past. People are trying to discuss an enjoyable or serious topic and someone comes in with a BS post...for what reason? Then others jump in with BS posts and before you know it, a good thread is full of junk...and the people who were originally enjoying the conversation now have to filter through all of that. Well, I have found that most people really do not like that....and it is totally unnecessary

Yes, that is annoying and it is totally appropriate in such situations for a mod to come in and say "OK, lets get back on topic here". Good lord...that is our job!

Lu

The issue is you have been doing your job so well that a large number of people find it oppressive. I'd make a poll to show you how unpopular your over-modding has become but you would delete the poll and the thread.

[LuckySevens4U]

Originally Posted by Nuck

Ok..here is a related scenario that has played out numerous times and will hopefully not play out after the issues are worked out.

A topic is started and for whatever reason it drifts. Everyone is following the flow and joking around. A mod comes in, warns everyone to stay on topic and deletes a bunch of messages. Any posts questioning the deletion are met with warnings and a standard 'do not discuss moderation' link.

Not only has all the fun instantly being sucked out of the thread, but you now have a bunch more members p.ssed at being treated like children. Left alone, most issues resolves themselves between members and most threads find there own level without mod intervention.

Mod intervention should be for the extremes. It should be handled privately when possible. I really appreciate the attempt at clarity of the rules but without some modding of the mods, the issues will undoubtedly keep reappearing.

Pipe and Dnakr are amazing mods. The reason is because you are rarely aware they are modding. Contrast that with some of the other mods.

Originally Posted by Cancer

Nuck is right, I never had a bad experience on this FORUM ever. That is until the Mods came along like the "FDA", to protect me from harm. Maybe SJ does not realize that E-smokers face persecution by GOVERNMENTS and now by the forum we have used to vent and seek refuge. Anybody wonder if the FDA or British or Canadian governments are telling SJ to slowly kill this place? Get all the hardcore members to leave, then there will be less of a stink when it is shuttered. Food for thought

Originally Posted by Cancer

But MODERATE those threads...not each and every darn sentence on the entire forum. Sit back relax, till THESE posters report THESE hijacked threads.

Originally Posted by dohsma

Can I get an amen!

Originally Posted by Nuck

The issue is you have been doing your job so well that a large number of people find it oppressive. I'd make a poll to show you how unpopular your over-modding has become but you would delete the poll and the thread.

exactly guys, and I think most people here will agree with all quoted above. It's just the way we feel.

[SmokeyJoe]

I've got a better idea - why not have it so that if the OP asks for follow up posts to be kept on topic, the OT stuff can be chopped out?

Otherwise, we just let threads take their natural course.

It's been done here before - quite successfully I think.