The new rules

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Originally Posted by mamu

Well DW... you'll be sadly missed

Maybe it's the people who think they CAN and DO post anything that are the ones that are now having problems and are afraid that they can't post ANYTHING.

Geesh... I've never once had the "oppression" feeling here with what I want to say in a post so I can't empathize with the people who are now afraid to post ANYTHING for fear of reprisal.

Well Mamu I wish I could agree with you. But, unfortunately, I can't anymore. I receive a violation point pretty much knew I would from the start. Then decided to have a some fun. Started a thread Just being nice NO Civil Disturbance Aloud!! It turned out to be 78 messages about the weather. No flaming, No ranting, No raving!! Just people talking about the weather in their area. But I received ANOTHER point for being really annoying and pointless???

Anyone who knows me knows these are my types of posts. I have since looked back at ALL posts made by myself. The Moderator who gave me the point has NEVER participated in even one of my threads. I even tried explaining it to the moderator but was told didn't matter.

SO IMHO no more rice krispy fun threads. This ole stoner is gonna put on a business suit and cut my hair and fly straight!!

[mamu]

aah Cancer... my misguided friend... what past are you talking about?

I still see the "free spirits" with differing opinions being posted.

I still see where almost any topic is tolerated and accepted.

I still see that people of differing life experiences can express their own view point.

I still see that people can throw insults (within reason) at one another if they choose.

I still see people becoming fast friends or fast enemies if they choose.

I still see a vast array of people coming together and being able to talk about what's on their mind or what's bothering them.

So what past are you talking about??

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Originally Posted by mamu

aah Cancer... my misguided friend... what past are you talking about?

I still see the "free spirits" with differing opinions being posted.

I still see where almost any topic is tolerated and accepted.

I still see that people of differing life experiences can express their own view point.

I still see that people can throw insults (within reason) at one another if they choose.

I still see people becoming fast friends or fast enemies if they choose.

I still see a vast array of people coming together and being able to talk about what's on their mind or what's bothering them.

So what past are you talking about??

Excuse me Mrs. Mamu. I am not cancer this is the new and improved. TDM.

[surbitonPete]

One of the things we all do which we 'shouldn't' really be doing in a forum, is use it like a chat room, the trouble is that if we did strictly use it in accordance with the idea of a forum, most of the friendly fun and interaction we all have here would be lost.

[dumwaldo]

Originally Posted by Walrus

That was a complaint. One more often heard was that the rules weren't defined enough, and were too open to interpretation. SmokeyJoe is attempting to do that now with the input of you, the forum members. That's the whole reason they are out there for discussion...

It should also be noted that this list of defined rules was submitted by a forum member for consideration, not by one of the mods or SJ.

The insta-ban is still a possibility. It should be taken out of play and none of the moderators should have that kind of authority. You guys have proven that you can not handle that kind of authority responsibly.

Three strikes and your out.
Myself, Kate and Spikey were all banned without rule infractions to back it up. All three of us were banned for not going along with the popular crowd.

Here is something that the forum SHOULD see...


I missed the rule about having an unpopular attitude being a bannable offense.

The only real difference between Spikey and me and Kate is that Kate and I did not have the benefit of the same popularity Spikey has. Because Spikey is popular the ban was lifted once it was clearly identified that you guys overstepped your authority but because there was no popular outcry of support for myself and Kate I was subject to the full one week ban and Kate is still banned.

This is because you guys moderate, not based on rules, but based on popularity and the way these rules look to me they will just reinforce your ability to falsely justify harsh treatment towards people you don't personally care for while being lenient towards others.

How about the thread that pissed you guys off so much that was the precursor to my banning?

I love my new Screwdriver....

Care to explain why I was the one getting a PM from a mod after that thread. I did not get out of line with anybody but I was the one who was asked to stop participating in discussions regarding the screwdriver.

Take a look at post #57 and justify why that was not deleted and why it took 3 request to have it moderated and it was still not done till I actually used the EXACT SAME derogatory name on a moderator. An action that I was immediately given an infraction for but it took me getting an infraction before one word was removed from a post that was completely irrelevant to the discussion and the entire post should have been removed after my first complaint.

Especially considering wv2win had previously made a nuisance of himself with regards to falsely reporting my posts no matter what i said in reply to him. I was 100% cooperative with a request from a mod to no longer engage him. My thanks for the two weeks of self moderation I practiced to help out you guys was to have a deaf ear turned when he was absolutely blatantly trolling me with a direct insult and an off topic quote from another discussion that held zero relevance to the discussion in that thread.

In the thread where I was actually banned Terraphon actually had the audacity to say "Go after the post not the poster."

ORLY???

Who did I go after in that SD thread? I actually took a moment to point out to someone that this was not anything personal and it was just a discussion over a product when I sensed someone else might be taking it personal. I was the one who went after the post not the poster.

post #57, wv2win went after ME not my posts.

post #58, mamu went after ME not my posts.

post #62, AGNES PEACOCK went after ME not my posts.

Somehow this all escaped the notice of the mod that just moments after locking this thread and PMing me a rather impolitely worded directive not to participate in any SD discussions, had the wisdom to say go after the post not the poster.

YOU, walrus KNOW FOR FACT that ban was not at all necessary. You were the one that asked me not to engage wv2win and did I not comply with that 100% without any argument or resistance? I deserved the benefit of the doubt and if any of you had a problem with me I made it abundantly clear that I was always more than willing to cooperate.

Even while I was banned mod after mod continued to turn the blind eye and act like they don't see hanover fists avatar change to the one mocking me with a depiction of the waldo character I was using as an avatar instead gagged and bound in a jail cell. It is STILL his avatar and NONE of you saw anything wrong with that.

I was banned for a trumped up reason that had nothing to do with rules and had everything to do with popularity. You guys run this place like a 5th grade popularity contest and these proposed rules are absolutely written in a way that insures the continued ability to keep moderating based on popularity.

Now the ONE favor I will ask in return for the cooperation I have previously given the mods is that you do not insta ban me for this post. Drop an infraction on me or whatever but please dont ban me since I assure you I plan to slink back into my clubs forum and keep myself there so as not to disturb the popular kids while they make up rules that don't even matter because you guys will continue to act in any arbitrary manner you see fit just as you have been.

If you ban me again it will not be hurting me since I want no part of this catastrophe anymore but it will hurt the club that does not deserve that.

DW

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Originally Posted by surbitonPete

One of the things we all do which we 'shouldn't' really be doing in a forum, is use it like a chat room, the trouble is that is that if we did strictly use it in accordance with the idea of a forum, most of the friendly fun and interaction we all have here would be lost.

Very well put Mr. Pete Sir. Perhaps we should try to ALL be more professional in our endeavors on this Electronic Cigarette Forum. It is meant to be a informative area to teach the uneducated about the electronic cigarette.

There is a abundance of misinformation being passed around by the organizations which feel threatened by our choices. So we should all pull together and try to work out our differences in a civilized manner. If we are to overcome the adversity and prevail in our endeavors then we need to become a united front. Together we can overcome any obsticle no matter how great, no matter how far. We came overcome the greatest force if we all just cooperate in harmony with one another.

[mamu]

et tu Mouse? I am so bummed!

If you felt what you were starting was probably going to cause a violation - why did you do it? You set yourself up for being watched for future stuff.

However, I most heartedly agree - you cannot know where a thread you start is going to go - to receive a violation point from that doesn't make much sense.

People are starting all kinds of weird threads - do they receive violations if it gets pages of posts that are supposedly "annoying"? Maaann - I've seen a few of those.

Now, please bring Chong back I already miss him.

[mamu]

Originally Posted by truckdrivingmouse

Excuse me Mrs. Mamu. I am not cancer this is the new and improved. TDM.

Mouse, I was responding to Cancer's thread. I hadn't seen yours.

Originally Posted by Cancer

I never do either and I love your posts. Its just a forum is a group of people with different opinions and lifestyles,background etc. Even with rules there needs to be "SOME" expressions of differences. If everyone posted links to reviews,and links to past answers, it wouldn't be any fun to hang around to answer the "EASY QUESTIONS". I think thats the main beef the "FREE SPIRITS" have Mamu. The creativity and frivolity of the past is being stifled.

No matter, appears I PO'd you for you to call me Mrs. Mamu.

I don't like the new and improved Mouse, but it is afterall your choice my friend.

[surbitonPete]

Originally Posted by truckdrivingmouse

Very well put Mr. Pete Sir. Perhaps we should try to ALL be more professional in our endeavors on this Electronic Cigarette Forum. It is meant to be a informative area to teach the uneducated about the electronic cigarette.

There is a abundance of misinformation being passed around by the organizations which feel threatened by our choices. So we should all pull together and try to work out our differences in a civilized manner. If we are to overcome the adversity and prevail in our endeavors then we need to become a united front. Together we can overcome any obsticle no matter how great, no matter how far. We came overcome the greatest force if we all just cooperate in harmony with one another.

Thank you very much mr tdb.....and a very eloquent, well thought response if I must say.

[mamu]

Originally Posted by dumwaldo

How about the thread that pissed you guys off so much that was the precursor to my banning?

So much for being afraid to post ANYTHING. I knew that wouldn't last long. But one could hope I guess.

My goodness - what an innocent you try to appear to be.

Why don't you post the REAL reason why you were banned? That supposed precursor thread you mention is not the reason why you were banned.

You not only went after a mod, but you also went after Mouse in a very fascism rant in a thread Mouse started.

good gawd... Mouse and DW on the same side of the fence?? What is this world coming to?