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breakfastchef · 06-21-2009, 05:12 AM

That was too complicated. Just give me one demerit to be safe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordmage

its only an attack if you say something insulting and if they are seen publicly as a fanboy. i see nothing wrong with saying they are.

for example the SD has so many fanboys with it in the sig lines.

"go away fanboy's." -targeted to a group and while it is not an attack it is personal message to that group.

now lets take the above line and add something to
"go away stupid fanboy's" that is an attack targeted to the whole group.
and even if you take the group out it still applies

OutWest · 06-21-2009, 05:15 AM

"go away stupid fanboy's" that is an attack targeted to the whole group.
and even if you take the group out it still applies

not to be disagreeable, but imho it's still not an attack in that case. Like SurfMonkey said, far to subjective. To me, an attack would be more like "go back to suckling your mommy, you dumbass fanboy"

lordmage · 06-21-2009, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by breakfastchef

That was too complicated. Just give me one demerit to be safe.

simple just dont go to far out there like outwest and you should be fine.

mine is a little subjective i'll give you that.

Surf Monkey · 06-21-2009, 05:19 PM

It has to be more specific or it'll lead to disputes and hard feelings. One person's mildly snide comment is another's rabid personal attack. If we over moderate this board we'll throw a wet blanket over it that drives posters away. A personal attack should be limited to things like:

"You're a ****ing idiot"

and

"Don't be such a douche"

Comments like "Hey, fanboys. Catch a clue." are NOT personal attacks.

lordmage · 06-22-2009, 05:09 AM

surf
you are correct and that was my failed attempt tried to say.

Surf Monkey · 06-22-2009, 05:30 AM

Thanks, lordmage.

Another important distinction to keep in mind it this VERY common situation:

"That's an idiotic thing to say."

and

"You're an idiot."

The first one isn't a personal attack, IMO. A person can say something idiot without being an idiot. The second one is a direct personal attack. I've been on boards where the mods consider the first instance to be an attack, and it doesn't work out well. It's easy to broadly interpret statements like that... which leads to people getting reprimanded or banned unfairly. I think it's important to allow an opinionated and lively community. Unless attacks are directly aimed at specific individuals, not broad groups of people or towards post contents, they shouldn't be clamped down upon too hard. Otherwise you run the risk of sanitizing everything so much that no one has any fun and the board dies.

lordmage · 06-22-2009, 06:25 AM

Surf,
i agree with you in theory so long as they quote the idiotic thing to say. and not just leave it blank so at least people who read the post can see what they are directly calling idiotic. other wise it is just a post count message in my option left there to simple up there count.

it dont necessarily add to the topic nor does it help either so it could be deleted as an off topic message without at least the quote like i said.

Surf Monkey · 06-22-2009, 07:16 AM

I think that's a fair distinction. It might not necessarily need quoted text if the referenced quote was directly above, but I see what you mean.

Mainly what I'm concerned about is a clamp down on lively discussion. A lot of times things can get heated. That's not always a bad thing. As in real life, people use strong language with each other. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as it doesn't cross the line. The issue we face here is figuring out where that line is. If the line is drawn too closely, it kills the board. If the line is too far away, it has the same effect.

lordmage · 06-22-2009, 07:34 AM

yes it does indeed Surf.

Sun Vaporer · 06-22-2009, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surf Monkey

I think that's a fair distinction. It might not necessarily need quoted text if the referenced quote was directly above, but I see what you mean.

Mainly what I'm concerned about is a clamp down on lively discussion. A lot of times things can get heated. That's not always a bad thing. As in real life, people use strong language with each other. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as it doesn't cross the line. The issue we face here is figuring out where that line is. If the line is drawn too closely, it kills the board. If the line is too far away, it has the same effect.

It is a fine line for some Surf indeed---in over 3300 post that I have made on this board, I have never even thought about calling or refering to someone as an "idiot" or for that matter anything even close. A simple I do not agree or concur, or maybe a "I do not get it" is all that is needed. There is a way to get your point across without being disrespectful. Whenever I see posts using anything that is less then tactful and respectful, I move on. And saying it once makes the point---not repeating it in 6 posts going back and forth. That is my take on it, but then again that is just me.------Sun

06-21-2009, 05:15 AM	#12
OutWest USA Supplier Forum Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,217	"go away stupid fanboy's" that is an attack targeted to the whole group. and even if you take the group out it still applies not to be disagreeable, but imho it's still not an attack in that case. Like SurfMonkey said, far to subjective. To me, an attack would be more like "go back to suckling your mommy, you dumbass fanboy" __________________ eLiquid (11mg - 36mg strengths) & DSE901 Electronic Cigarettes and Parts Get 5% off with coupon code: ecf5 Worldwide shipping!

06-21-2009, 05:19 PM	#14
Surf Monkey Super Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 2,573	It has to be more specific or it'll lead to disputes and hard feelings. One person's mildly snide comment is another's rabid personal attack. If we over moderate this board we'll throw a wet blanket over it that drives posters away. A personal attack should be limited to things like: "You're a ****ing idiot" and "Don't be such a douche" Comments like "Hey, fanboys. Catch a clue." are NOT personal attacks. __________________ It isn't the caffeine in a latte that makes you fat. It's the milk. It isn't the nicotine in a cigarette that kills you. It's the tar, CO2, fine particulate and chemical additives.

06-22-2009, 05:09 AM	#15
lordmage House cleaning Mod. Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dundalk,Maryland, USA Posts: 2,591 Blog Entries: 2	surf you are correct and that was my failed attempt tried to say. __________________ Regards, Mage What senses do we lack that we cannot see and cannot hear another world all around us? Bureaucracy destroys initiative. There is little that bureaucrats hate more than innovation, especially innovation that produces better results than the old routines. Do not be trapped by the need to achieve anything. This way, you achieve everything.

06-22-2009, 05:30 AM	#16
Surf Monkey Super Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 2,573	Thanks, lordmage. Another important distinction to keep in mind it this VERY common situation: "That's an idiotic thing to say." and "You're an idiot." The first one isn't a personal attack, IMO. A person can say something idiot without being an idiot. The second one is a direct personal attack. I've been on boards where the mods consider the first instance to be an attack, and it doesn't work out well. It's easy to broadly interpret statements like that... which leads to people getting reprimanded or banned unfairly. I think it's important to allow an opinionated and lively community. Unless attacks are directly aimed at specific individuals, not broad groups of people or towards post contents, they shouldn't be clamped down upon too hard. Otherwise you run the risk of sanitizing everything so much that no one has any fun and the board dies. __________________ It isn't the caffeine in a latte that makes you fat. It's the milk. It isn't the nicotine in a cigarette that kills you. It's the tar, CO2, fine particulate and chemical additives.

06-22-2009, 06:25 AM	#17
lordmage House cleaning Mod. Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dundalk,Maryland, USA Posts: 2,591 Blog Entries: 2	Surf, i agree with you in theory so long as they quote the idiotic thing to say. and not just leave it blank so at least people who read the post can see what they are directly calling idiotic. other wise it is just a post count message in my option left there to simple up there count. it dont necessarily add to the topic nor does it help either so it could be deleted as an off topic message without at least the quote like i said. __________________ Regards, Mage What senses do we lack that we cannot see and cannot hear another world all around us? Bureaucracy destroys initiative. There is little that bureaucrats hate more than innovation, especially innovation that produces better results than the old routines. Do not be trapped by the need to achieve anything. This way, you achieve everything.

06-22-2009, 07:16 AM	#18
Surf Monkey Super Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 2,573	I think that's a fair distinction. It might not necessarily need quoted text if the referenced quote was directly above, but I see what you mean. Mainly what I'm concerned about is a clamp down on lively discussion. A lot of times things can get heated. That's not always a bad thing. As in real life, people use strong language with each other. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as it doesn't cross the line. The issue we face here is figuring out where that line is. If the line is drawn too closely, it kills the board. If the line is too far away, it has the same effect. __________________ It isn't the caffeine in a latte that makes you fat. It's the milk. It isn't the nicotine in a cigarette that kills you. It's the tar, CO2, fine particulate and chemical additives.

06-22-2009, 07:34 AM	#19
lordmage House cleaning Mod. Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dundalk,Maryland, USA Posts: 2,591 Blog Entries: 2	yes it does indeed Surf. __________________ Regards, Mage What senses do we lack that we cannot see and cannot hear another world all around us? Bureaucracy destroys initiative. There is little that bureaucrats hate more than innovation, especially innovation that produces better results than the old routines. Do not be trapped by the need to achieve anything. This way, you achieve everything.

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