510 vs. 4081 vs. 401 Battery Hit counts

[RsL]

Originally Posted by gatsby

I guess I knew that this would be more of an issue with 510 fanboys than people who could actually use the info.

I don't think any of us 510 'fanboys' has an issue with your info...in fact we all agree, battery life on the 510 is poor. All I was saying is that you can get 2 batteries in a kit..ANY kit, not just the 510...and potentially find big differences between the performance of the 2 batteries. It has sure happened to me anyway. So unless a LOT of tests are being done, any kind of battery result test between different models is useful and interesting, but far from being the final word. But with that said, yes, 510 users will tell you that the battery life is not very good.

All users have to decide what is most important to them. Battery life? Performance? Cart life? Style? etc. We ALL have different 'specs'.

I can tell you right now that a 510 is not for you. OR...you can do what many of us do. Battery life on the 510 isn't that good, but I like the performance. So I use the 510 at work or at home while hooked up to a passthrough. Bingo, battery problem solved. Plus, I have charged up batteries laying around so I don't even need to be tied to the passthrough. But when I'm out and about I'll use my VX2 (J118) because it has better battery life. I'm a VX2 fanboy too, but that's another story.

Maybe what I'm really saying is that you should consider, if you aren't already, having more than one unit in your collection...more than one 'car'. The Corvette for when you are at home, or the Corolla for when you are going to the bars. Sorry, but since you liked it so much I had to use cars analogy again!

[RsL]

Originally Posted by SSRob

Just to give you an idea how much I vape, I also bought a 15ml bottle of RY4 liquid (high), which I must say is excellent, and I've already vaped 7-8ml of it in a little over a day...some in the 501 and some in my 801.

You ARE the Vapor King !!! Don't tell me that you are vaping 36mg juice now! haahaaa

[gatsby]

Actually I was all ready to buy a PCC and a usbPass when I decided to do this test. The reason being I wanted to see if even with the PCC I would be happy taking this thing out on the town and whether I felt I get anything more out of it than the manual button which fairly soon I should be able to get on a usbPass from puresmoker for any of my atties. The thing is I already have a bunch of kits and how many cars do I need in the garage. I'm not Jay Leno after all. Damn that car metaphor. So far I am fairly certain that a manual usbPass on any of the atomizers I have will give me clouds of vapor and I am still on the fence about the PCC. Also I do plan to do some within style battery tests to get a grasp on the variability. Seriously its not as easy to count these things out as you think. Of course now there is the cartomizer brand issues which at some point I will have to check out although I hate carts and drip/dip almost all the time so those don't seem to fit me at all.

Originally Posted by RsL

I don't think any of us 510 'fanboys' has an issue with your info...in fact we all agree, battery life on the 510 is poor. All I was saying is that you can get 2 batteries in a kit..ANY kit, not just the 510...and potentially find big differences between the performance of the 2 batteries. It has sure happened to me anyway. So unless a LOT of tests are being done, any kind of battery result test between different models is useful and interesting, but far from being the final word. But with that said, yes, 510 users will tell you that the battery life is not very good.

All users have to decide what is most important to them. Battery life? Performance? Cart life? Style? etc. We ALL have different 'specs'.

I can tell you right now that a 510 is not for you. OR...you can do what many of us do. Battery life on the 510 isn't that good, but I like the performance. So I use the 510 at work or at home while hooked up to a passthrough. Bingo, battery problem solved. Plus, I have charged up batteries laying around so I don't even need to be tied to the passthrough. But when I'm out and about I'll use my VX2 (J118) because it has better battery life. I'm a VX2 fanboy too, but that's another story.

Maybe what I'm really saying is that you should consider, if you aren't already, having more than one unit in your collection...more than one 'car'. The Corvette for when you are at home, or the Corolla for when you are going to the bars. Sorry, but since you liked it so much I had to use cars analogy again!

[gatsby]

No problem. I am glad you liked it. I came away with a new respect for the 4081. In fact, since I was taking little 3-5sec hits with the 510 I noticed that the 4081 did well in comparison with throat hit anyway. It made me wonder what a 4081 with a manual battery would be like since my big problem during the test was a sticky switch and a cut off. I did also realize that something like a janty stick is probably in my future as well.

Originally Posted by Treece

I just want to say thanks for doing this and posting the results. With the constant criticism of the RN4081, I'd begun to wonder what I was missing. (I don't really feel like I'm missing anything ... but we don't know what we don't know, right?)

The other day I was on the verge of ordering either a 510 or a Janty Stick. Instead, I ordered a bunch of RN4081 passthroughs, batts, and atties. Now--after reading this and other threads--I'm glad I did.

That's not to say I won't drive a Mustang one day, but for now, I'm happy with my little ... um ... PeeWee.

[Terraphon]

I agree on both sides of the coin...

The 510 has piss poor battery life. On the other hand, I knew it had piss poor battery life when I ordered it so I got a PCC.

Thus-far, I've not been disappointed. The 510 with PCC lasts me a full day of work (12-14 hours) including drive time. I also carry a charger with me, just in case. I know that it will last me an entire night of partying (let's say 9p-4a) and it gives me huge vapor, throat hit, etc...

This certainly isn't my first rodeo and I didn't go in to the situation with any false expectations. What I know is this. I like my 510. I also like my pen and my Evo. At the end of the day, I'm happy with my purchase and that's all that matters to me.

[gatsby]

Originally Posted by Terraphon

I agree on both sides of the coin...

The 510 has piss poor battery life. On the other hand, I knew it had piss poor battery life when I ordered it so I got a PCC.

Thus-far, I've not been disappointed. The 510 with PCC lasts me a full day of work (12-14 hours) including drive time. I also carry a charger with me, just in case. I know that it will last me an entire night of partying (let's say 9p-4a) and it gives me huge vapor, throat hit, etc...

This certainly isn't my first rodeo and I didn't go in to the situation with any false expectations. What I know is this. I like my 510. I also like my pen and my Evo. At the end of the day, I'm happy with my purchase and that's all that matters to me.

Hey Terrphon, Nice to have you chime in. I think I like my 401s because I basically got tutored on how to get the best of them from your posts and videos. Does the relative battery life seem right to you? I am ordering a PCC after looking at the math and think with the PCC it might work as my day time vaper, because I take smoke breaks during the day. I wonder about the night out though since at least when I am in a bar or at a party, I have they thing out all the time and in my hand or on the bar. If I have one in charging and one out being used I am concerned that the spent battery won't charge up enough in the time it takes to burn through the user. Its a shame because the vapor from the 510 seems like it fits drinking better than working. If the PCC works out I might have to go with the 510 as my day time kit and the 401 as the night-time and working in the yard kit. (The one thing a manual battery can never really do is be a proper hanger when your hands are busy).
Also according to the internets my juice and new 401 and 510 batteries are in customs so I might have a up dated battery count and some info on other versions of the 401 batteries by the end of the weekend if anyone is interested. Including a so-called high capacity 401 battery (I think the so-called will tell you how I expect that to come out).

[Wolfshifter]

Hmm... Well... I think I'll cancel my BluCigs order and just get a 510 for myself and my wife, along with the PCC Cases. I only go through half a pack a day and 12-14 hours sounds great since I'm on the road for anywhere from 7 to 12 hours a day.

Thanks for the info. I think I've found my first e-cig.

[Terraphon]

Originally Posted by gatsby

Hey Terrphon, Nice to have you chime in. I think I like my 401s because I basically got tutored on how to get the best of them from your posts and videos. Does the relative battery life seem right to you?

Here's what I've experienced:

My Evo (known to have longer battery life than other 410's) lasts between 8 and 12 hours, depending on how hard I beat the thing. I can't possibly hit my 510 as much as the Evo because I'd die and I find that being perfectly satisfied I get about 3.5 - 4 hours from my 510.

Considering the vapor production, size and minor factors, I'd say that's EXACTLY how the 510 should perform.

Originally Posted by gatsby

I am ordering a PCC after looking at the math and think with the PCC it might work as my day time vaper, because I take smoke breaks during the day. I wonder about the night out though since at least when I am in a bar or at a party, I have they thing out all the time and in my hand or on the bar.

What I think you'll find is that you don't hit your 510 as much as you do your 401. I spend quite a bit of time "out and about" in the evening hours and what I found is that with my Evo I am constantly hitting it. With my 801 I don't hit that nearly as often...maybe about 50%...I know that I already use the 510 less than my pen and get total satisfaction with no cravings or silliness so I can assume that I will use the 510 less at bars, too.

Originally Posted by gatsby

If I have one in charging and one out being used I am concerned that the spent battery won't charge up enough in the time it takes to burn through the user.

I haven't stop-watched it, yet, but I charged a completely dead battery to full in less than 1.5 hours yesterday with my PCC. If you keep the battery in your PCC when you're not using it, I think you'll be fine. Use the PCC like a cigarette pack. When you're not hitting the 510, put it away. When you need a puff or 2, take it out and do your thing. I think you'll find that the "ritual" of assembling the cig resembles the old "ritual" of getting out an analog and lighting it...enough so that you may actually find yourself a bit more satisfied.

(I make it a point to break down my gear when I'm not puffing and I know that the act of assembling it, vaping, disassemlbing it and putting it away has actually given more "fullness" to my vaping experience...I do it will all of my gear.)

Originally Posted by gatsby

If the PCC works out I might have to go with the 510 as my day time kit and the 401 as the night-time and working in the yard kit. (The one thing a manual battery can never really do is be a proper hanger when your hands are busy).

You're correct in that the manual thing can never be a proper lip hanger. I, for one, never smoked that way (could never stand to have the smoke blowing in face) so I have an advantage in that I *always* have my hand on my cig.

As for that, I believe that you will find ways to use the manual switch that render it functionally transparent...I know I have. I actually hold my 510 in such a way that the switch is activated with no effort, no clumsiness and completely naturally.

I will be doing a proper review on it and other gear, soon. When I do that, you'll see what I mean.

Originally Posted by gatsby

Also according to the internets my juice and new 401 and 510 batteries are in customs so I might have a up dated battery count and some info on other versions of the 401 batteries by the end of the weekend if anyone is interested. Including a so-called high capacity 401 battery (I think the so-called will tell you how I expect that to come out).

There are 401 batts out there that hold more power The Evo batts, for example, are 10% higher maH than most other 401 batts.

You may be pleasantly surprised

[DuneBuggy]

Thats a interesting experiment. As a Npro and 510 owner id say those puff numbers are fairly acurate with what I get.So the 4081 last 2 1/2 times as many puffs.
Of course theres the issue of quantity versus quality.
My 510 gives me CONSISTANCY. My Npro? 1 out of 3 or 4 puffs is good (and when it hits good it IS enjoyable...one of out 3 times at best).
So which one REALLY lasts longer????? I can hit the 510 and calm that crave faster with less draws.
And the whole battery self engaging thing is a turn off. Wish all these models had a manual switch option!

2 spare batts and a charged one on the 510 keeps me from any AC power for 8-9 hours.
Or I could carry the 4081 charged,one battery,and a paperclip (for fills) to do the same...And allow myself time to refill it 30 times a day.
Granted that extra 510 batt outweighs the paperclip and its a pain to lug that extra heft of the battery around....But i'll manage!

[Terraphon]

Originally Posted by DuneBuggy

Thats a interesting experiment. As a Npro and 510 owner id say those puff numbers are fairly acurate with what I get.So the 4081 last 2 1/2 times as many puffs.
Of course theres the issue of quantity versus quality.
My 510 gives me CONSISTANCY. My Npro? 1 out of 3 or 4 puffs is good (and when it hits good it IS enjoyable...one of out 3 times at best).
So which one REALLY lasts longer????? I can hit the 510 and calm that crave faster with less draws.
And the whole battery self engaging thing is a turn off. Wish all these models had a manual switch option!

2 spare batts and a charged one on the 510 keeps me from any AC power for 8-9 hours.
Or I could carry the 4081 charged,one battery,and a paperclip (for fills) to do the same...And allow myself time to refill it 30 times a day.
Granted that extra 510 batt outweighs the paperclip and its a pain to lug that extra heft of the battery around....But i'll manage!

I couldn't agree more (bolded sections)