Updated 7 day Janty Stick review and 510 comparison

[Elendil]

I have now been using the Janty Stick for 7 days. As promised I am updating my early review and adding a comparison to the 510. My original comments are in italics and the follow up comments are in standard bold font.

Size & Appearance- I was surprised by the size of the Stick once I saw it in person. It is smaller than I was expecting, even after seeing a number of video reviews and pictures. This is not a negative, and in fact the size is perfect for fitting in the palm of my hand. The Stick is very lightweight and I do have a concern about what would happen if it was dropped on a hard surface from more than a very short distance. Let's hope I never find out. I actually have dropped it twice on a hardwood floor with no damage. That being said, I am happy with the fit and finish. There have been some comments made about an indentation in the body of the stick as well as the LED being visible when you look through the atomizer opening. There are no such issues with my stick. I am very pleased with the fit and finish and it seems well put together with all joints and seams fitting flush and tight. I would like to apologize for the criticism I leveled at the reviewers. If their units were the same as mine, I would not have found any defects to point out either. No changes with this portion of the review except to say that my stick looks as shiny and new as it did the day I got it.

Atomizer fit- I am in possession of 3 different 801 atomizers for this unit. The KBC that was shipped with the Stick, 5 BE112's, and 2 from the guys at MVS. I have tried all 8 atomizers and the all filt perfectly with no wiggle, or "cracking plastic" that have been alluded to by others. I find that if I turn the atomizer to the right while inserting it, the it slide smoothly into the unit with no problem at all. I am now in possession of 15 801 atomizers from the following suppliers: Myvaporstore, bestecig, ruyandirect, and Janty. I have inserted each and every one of the atomizers into the stick. While they were a snug fit, all that need be done is to turn the atomizer to the right while inserting. I do want to clarify that I can cause movement with the atomizer if I actually push to initiate the "wiggle". This is a result of the atomizer being wider at the base that the tip. The atomizer never moves on its own and remains steady no matter the position of the Stick itself. I have also not experienced any juice leakage thus far as has been reported by other users. I will again update this at the 30 day mark.

Performance- The Stick provides an amazingly light and easy draw. Initially I though I may be doing something wrong because the draw was so much lighter and easier than I have been accustomed to. That being said, the Stick produces and extraordinary amount of vapor. It far surpasses the DSE 901. While I have been accused of being a Screwdriver fanboy (and I guess I am) however, the vapor production of the stick surpasses even the SD with a freshly charged battery. As already discussed the manual Stick has an 11 second cutoff. At best I was able to draw for about 6-7 seconds and it provided a prodigious amount of vapor. The vapor also seems thick and heavy. More so than I have experienced with either the DSE 901 or the SD. On a few occasions when I did draw for the full 11 seconds the lung hit was stupendous and actually caused me to cough on several occasions. I experience the same draw and vapor with all 3 models of atomizer that I tried. After 7 days the draw continues to be light and easy with all 801 atomizers. I have used each suppliers atomizer with juice for a period of time. I find that vapor production after 1 week is every bit as prodigious as it was on day one. I am improving with the draw time and now routinely hit the cutoff. The throat hit is second to none with the 10-11 second draw. This applies to all flavors that I am using which consists primarily of RY4, butterscotch, caramel and Marboro. I am unable to comment on the "fruity" flavors (cherry, strawberry, and the like) since I do not care for those types of flavors.

I am primarily a dripper. The manual stick is a dripping machine. While I enjoy my SD, the biggest drawback when dripping was the small capacity of the 901 atomizer. If I put more than a drop or 2 on the atomizer it tends to flood easier and the liquid leaked out of the bottom of the atomizer and into the contact point where the atomizer screws to the battery. This necessitated that I unscrew the atomizer and clean the contact point on a regular basis. With the sealed chamber and larger atomizer capacity of the Stick this is not an issue. I have regularly been using 3-4 drops on the atomizer and get a very satisfying experience with all the benefits previously mentioned. I am able to take 6-8 long draws with 3-4 drops on the atomizer. While I will stick by my statement that dripping works well with the 801, I have discontinued dripping with the Janty Stick. The JS is my first 801 device and I am very surprised and pleased by the cart capacity. Also, the JS does a great job of utilizing the juice in the cart. While there is some juice left in that cart when refilling, I routinely add 8-10 drops to the cart when refilling. Cart utilization is much greater with the Stick versus any 901 device (including the SD) or any 510(more to come on that). With a full cart I can make 20-30 eight second draws on the Stick before needing to refill the cartridge. This eliminates the hassle of constantly adding drops directly to the atomizer. One area of concern continues to be the build up of some juice on the outside of the cart and it is visible when the cart is removed from the atomizer. I am unsure of the cause. It appears even when I was very careful to underfill the cart. While not a huge detraction from the experience,(just wipe off with a tissue) it is something to be aware of if you are considering the unit.

I vape primarily DIY 18-24mg juice with either butterscotch or caramel Lorann's. I did experience less flavor with the Stick than I was getting with the SD(901), especially in the butterscotch which I usually make stronger than the caramel. I will increase the flavor concentration to see it this improves the flavor sensation. The thrat hit is present in every draw and a lung hit easily achievable if you draw for a long enough time period. I increased my flavor concentration to 20% on my DIY butterscotch as well as the caramel. I am also using the RY4 and Marboro uncut at 24mg and I have to say I am tasting and enjoying the flavor across the board. I am not sure if there was a "break in" period for the new atomizers or just an adjustment period for my becoming used to the 801, but I can safely say that any concerns I have about loss of flavor are by the boards.

The button action it remarkably firm, while remaining easy to depress. The belt holder supplied with the unit is great with side pocket that will hold 2 additional batteries and attaches firmly to a belt. However, if you wish to carry the Stick in your pocket I would have no worry at all about the button being inadvertently depressed while in your pocket. I am unable to comment on the cart usage as I left the carts that were shipped with the unit in my office and won't get them back until Monday. I will complete an addendum later to give my impressions of the cart usage. As I primarily drip, this was not an immediate priority The button action remains firm. I primarily carry the Stick in the supplied belt holder which works well and has space for 2 additional batteries. I have not experienced any peeling of the sticker on the button as has been reported by other users. I will update this at the 30 day mark as well. As I indicated earlier in this update, dripping works well, but I do prefer the carts.

Batteries- While I am unsure of the charge level of the batteries when I received the unit, the first battery took 70 minutes to charge in the unit and the second took about 90 minutes. I was vaping with the stick the entire time the batteries were charging.

Once fully charged, I have been utilizing the Stick for about 6 hours without the USB cable and the battery feels just as strong as when fully charged. EDIT: I got a total of 6hours and 20 minutes from the battery before it went dead. I purchased 4 additional batteries as well as 2 chargers in addition to the 2 batteries that cam with the unit. For my use that is at least 4 batteries too many. In fact I have not run a battery all the way dead yet, unless it was one of the several time I have done so intentionally. I have purchased 2 USB extensions (for office and car) since the supplied USB is somewhat shorter than would be ideal. I also purchased a car to USB adapter fo ruse in my auto. The extensions and adapter work well and I have experienced no problems. here are the links for the items I have purchased:

Amazon.com: Cables To Go - 19003 - 1M USB A Male to A Female Extension Cable (White): Electronics

Amazon.com: Eforcity 2 Port USB In-Car DC Power Charger Adapter + 2Pk Cable: Electronics

I have intentionally run the battery dead on six occasions with my Stick. The longest battery life I experienced was 7 hours and 10 minutes and the shortest was 4 hours and 50 minutes, with the average being around 5 hours and 30 minutes. As a practical matter, I could probably live with only one battery since I work in an office and the USB is readily available. This may not be an option for all, but rest assured 3-4 batteries should be more than enough for even the heaviest user. Battery charge time take about 2 hours from dead to LED off in the stick, and about 90 minutes via 120v wall outlet.

Overall I see very little to complain about thus far. I want to experiment with the flavor strength of my DIY juice to see if I can get more taste from my juice, other than that I would have to say I am very please with the unit so far. It was worth the wait. Keep in mind I have had the Stick for a short time. As always there is an "excitement factor" with any new PV acquisition and any new unit is bound to perform pretty well. I would say the performance is better than the SD (vapor-both amount and density, Throat hit--more intense) at this point with the possible exception of being able to taste my flavors more with the SD. Long term performance will tell the story. The SD is a workhorse and has been a consistent performer everyday for a long period of time. Again, I will work on my flavors and report back. As I stated earlier, I purchased a 510 (2 manual batts) for my wife from Widows Bead Work - Home. I have used it for about 2 days to be able to compare with the stick as well have having my wife try the stick and getting her thoughts on it. The 510 produces a large amount of vapor for an "analog look alike" PV. Certainly way more than any 901 I have owned. It provides both reasonable taste and a fairly consistent throat hit. However, is does trail in both of these areas when compared to the Janty Stick. If you absolutely must have an analog looking device,(which my wife wants) the 510 would certainly get my recommendation,(as well as her's) but the Janty Stick is even a step beyond that. The largest discrepency between the two units is battery life. With heavy use, we were able to get 2-3 hours max from the 510 versus 5 hours plus with the Stick. With only a $30 price difference between the units, I would recommend the Janty stick by a fairly wide margin.

I will again update this at the 30day mark to give a more long term perspective.

[wv2win]

Good Update, Elendil. I will be curious to see how the 901 manual battery compares to the 510.

[Zaxx]

Thanks for taking the time to update.

I have to say, my experience with the JS and 510 mimic yours. I am really tiring of the battery issues with the cig looking PV's. If the JS continues to perform like it has so far, it'll be riding myself of the smaller PV's.

Thanks again Elendil.

[Sar]

Thank you for the update Elendil!!

[wegster]

It will be interesting to see your opinions if Janty eventually releases the 51- JS adapters..
Thanks for the review/update!

[DyZiE]

how are battery times measured? are we talking continous use? like a puff every 30 seconds or so? are we talking just smoking with a break between puffs? or does having the atomizer hooked to the batter just continuously drain the battery?? im just curious. still waint on my yetti. should be here by tues. im just curious because i often see posts refrencing horribly battery life. and while im glad to see a review that measures life in posts im so very used to seeing time frames instead.

wouldnt it be nice to have a pv with two buttons? one for hard hits (battery drainer) and one for taking it easy? i noticed that you all keep using car gas millage vs power/speed metaphors it just seems to follow that it all depends on how you drive your car to how much gas milleage you get vs how fast you can go.

i think ill go post this in the subforum for ideas or something like that.

[Christina]

Thank you Elendil for your continued in depth information. I am still on the fence between the Janty Stick and other mods. I don't have the money to mess around so I'm eager to read your take on it all. You've already helped me immensely.

On a side note, I really admire your signature banner artwork. Beautiful.

[Willowsong]

Thank you for this. I'm really considering the Janty Stick as my next purchase. I'm super pleased with the 510 (I hated the 901 by comparison) but I feel as if I want more than one option and for one of them to be a "mod" type. The Stick seems to have the most of what I'm looking for so I really appreciate the comparison to a PV I'm actually really enjoying.

[DisMan]

Originally Posted by Willowsong

Thank you for this. I'm really considering the Janty Stick as my next purchase. I'm super pleased with the 510 (I hated the 901 by comparison) but I feel as if I want more than one option and for one of them to be a "mod" type. The Stick seems to have the most of what I'm looking for so I really appreciate the comparison to a PV I'm actually really enjoying.

Willow, I own the KBC, Dura-C, and now the Stick. If you love your 510, you may want to wait until they have a 510 adapter for the stick. The stick uses the KBC atomizers and they produce a much lighter vapor. This means that more flavor is "lost" to the air. I like the vapor production of the stick, but the Dura-C is still the better choice for flavor in my book. Also, if you have a PCC + the Dura-C, you have the same convenience of the stick.

But the stick is a nice package....once the adapter is out, I would definitely suggest picking up the Stick. Until then, stick with the Dura-C(510) if it is meeting your flavor needs.

Just my two cents after using all the Janty products.

[Willowsong]

Originally Posted by DisMan

Willow, I own the KBC, Dura-C, and now the Stick. If you love your 510, you may want to wait until they have a 510 adapter for the stick. The stick uses the KBC atomizers and they produce a much lighter vapor. This means that more flavor is "lost" to the air. I like the vapor production of the stick, but the Dura-C is still the better choice for flavor in my book. Also, if you have a PCC + the Dura-C, you have the same convenience of the stick.

But the stick is a nice package....once the adapter is out, I would definitely suggest picking up the Stick. Until then, stick with the Dura-C(510) if it is meeting your flavor needs.

Just my two cents after using all the Janty products.

I don't have the PCC yet. I didn't want to spend more on accessories until after I tried it, and I've only had it for a couple of days so far.

I haven't tried anything else except an unmentionable super mini (which I do actually like) and a 901 which was sort of a nightmare after the initial excitement wore off.

One of my "complaints" is the constant need to top off carts. Cart mods make that less of an issue but it's still an " often" thing. The KBC carts are larger than the 510, aren't they? Combined with the longer battery life, less hassle will surely make me a happier camper. I would really like to end up with two different, relatively dependable models. I have one I think, with the 510. I really like the size and shape of the Stick - add an adapter and be able to share attys? I think that just might be as close to bliss as this "new" tech can do at the moment.