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P3rplexity · 10-31-2009, 03:04 AM

Alright, everyone out there, DO NOT BUY FROM SMOKING EVERYWHERE!!!

They are a down right fraud, their product is over priced, their customer support is the worst I've ever dealt with (not just in the e-cig business, in ANY business.)

They say 14 day trial right? HA! They mean 14 days from the time you order it, not mentioning the fact that it takes a month to get to you because they have to "confirm" your address, yet they don't try to contact you till about 10 days from ordering, then it takes another 7-10 days to get to you, by the time you get the package, your 14 day trial is up and they bill you another 100 bucks. I had to spend over 3 weeks to get my refund, and it didn't come easily, if not for my classes in law I wouldn't have been able to articulately threaten them with a lawsuit. So I'm one of the lucky few that got my money back, but I've read soooo many other posts about new users getting suckered in for $115 for their POS product.

For much cheaper you can get many other devices which work a hell of alot better than the crap they are peddling over there.

IANAN · 10-31-2009, 02:58 PM

Look around... all the X day trials are a fraud. They hide the details in fine print and legalese-- but you end up paying them a monthly fee after the 15 days are up unless you cancel, and all of them make it oh so easy to cancel. This doesn't even get into the fact that a percentage of people will not cancel, even if they are unsatisfied with the product/service.

Anyhow their tobacco flavored carts, although expensive, have a decent taste. Just purchase from a Kiosk.

Their product is compatible with other RN 4081 devices (NJoy NPro, Smokes 51 Trio, TW Super Mini,Pee-Wee, ETC ETC) and can be fitted with a DSE 103 Atomizer (DSE 103 pre-filled carts can be bought at 50 carts for around 20 bucks- mostly from Chinese stores) and the quality seems lower than other styles of 4081s....

As far as being over priced- You can purchase a generic RN 4081 or DSE 103 kit for less than $30.00 (And it comes with 2 bats), NJoy-NPro kits run about $50-70 (Depends on where you buy them- and it comes with 2 bats), TW kits for $69 (with 2 bats) all the while their SE Gold kit costs $99.00 and read the product contents (Only 1 bat instead of 2)....

The RN 4081 also probably isn't the best kit to start on also---

The advantages to the 4081 kits are; 1. Inexpensive replacement parts (If you look around), 2. rugged atomizers (They can take quite a bit of abuse), 3. Local availability for parts and carts (In a pinch you can buy carts and parts from gas stations or mall kiosks), 4. Relative good battery life for the size of bat, 5. Relative ease in self refilling carts and dripping, and 6. If used optimally can produce a fair amount of vapror.

The cons to them are; 1. Carts only hold a max of 100 mouthfulls (That is totally topped off) but a more realistic 60 (Or less) useful draws is more common (If you smoke down to the filter you are taking 10-15 draws off your traditional cig- that means you only get 4 - to a max of 10 cigs per cart), 2. battery life is about 2 carts (With a DSE 103 bat 3 carts), 3. They can be a bit hard to use optimally (There is a learning curve) and most starter kit instruction guides don't do a good enough job describing how to use them, 4. Size- They are almost the size and diameter of a regular cig-- The 8084 and E8/V8 are the actual size of a regular cig (effects how you carry them around), and 5. Cost of pre-filled carts- It can cost you more to vape using pre-filled carts than to smoke (If you are purchasing smokes by the carton).

ladysolitary85 · 11-02-2009, 07:36 AM

I just bought the "Smoking Everywhere - Gold Edition" e-cig in the mall 3 days ago.... my guy has the one that typically looks like a cig, mine is the pink one.... only because we wanted to tell who's was who's I would of rathered red or black.... but anyways my only problem with it is this is day 3 and I switched cartridges, it seems like I have to take a hard hit to get a enjoyable puff, and I noticed last night there was juice leaking from it somehow on the outside. My cartridges are pre-filled I don't understand whats wrong! I keep wiping it but it comes back... is this normal? my fingers also feels as if I burnt myself after touching the liquid (not on purpose obviously) my guy seems satisfied with his but doesn't have the same problem. My cartridge is high level if that helps any.

I was so proud of only having one cigarette yesterday but today I was having a huge nictitine fit because I didn't know if I should leave the e-cig alone or what. I'm a newbie this is my first e-cig.

Wakadoo · 11-02-2009, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladysolitary85

I just bought the "Smoking Everywhere - Gold Edition" e-cig in the mall 3 days ago.... my guy has the one that typically looks like a cig, mine is the pink one.... only because we wanted to tell who's was who's I would of rathered red or black.... but anyways my only problem with it is this is day 3 and I switched cartridges, it seems like I have to take a hard hit to get a enjoyable puff, and I noticed last night there was juice leaking from it somehow on the outside. My cartridges are pre-filled I don't understand whats wrong! I keep wiping it but it comes back... is this normal? my fingers also feels as if I burnt myself after touching the liquid (not on purpose obviously) my guy seems satisfied with his but doesn't have the same problem. My cartridge is high level if that helps any.

I was so proud of only having one cigarette yesterday but today I was having a huge nictitine fit because I didn't know if I should leave the e-cig alone or what. I'm a newbie this is my first e-cig.

You'll go through `wanting an analog` but it'll pass. . I myself had a smoking everywhere cig that was complete crap. I used it for an entire 2 days and got so frustrated with the battery life, the constant seeping of juice, and overall low performance of it. I didn't even bother going back to them about it because I knew it was a waste of time although others have had better luck. Best advice I can offer is go with a Joye 510. The things are workhorses. I'm still using the same atomizer for the past 2 months and I love it. The battery life on the 510's isn't all that great depending on how much you smoke but the batteries charge pretty quickly and with a PCC you're good to go.

danielwd · 11-03-2009, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladysolitary85

I just bought the "Smoking Everywhere - Gold Edition" e-cig in the mall 3 days ago.... my guy has the one that typically looks like a cig, mine is the pink one.... only because we wanted to tell who's was who's I would of rathered red or black.... but anyways my only problem with it is this is day 3 and I switched cartridges, it seems like I have to take a hard hit to get a enjoyable puff, and I noticed last night there was juice leaking from it somehow on the outside. My cartridges are pre-filled I don't understand whats wrong! I keep wiping it but it comes back... is this normal? my fingers also feels as if I burnt myself after touching the liquid (not on purpose obviously) my guy seems satisfied with his but doesn't have the same problem. My cartridge is high level if that helps any.

I was so proud of only having one cigarette yesterday but today I was having a huge nictitine fit because I didn't know if I should leave the e-cig alone or what. I'm a newbie this is my first e-cig.

I did the same...and regretably so. I do enjoy the SE Gold, but I killed the atomizer playing around with it because it gave me a burnt metal taste. I plan on picking up a new atty from Heaven's Gifts - they are only 7.00.

I would take Wakadoo's advice above and get a JOYE 510. It is much better and less tempermental. If you are having to "puff hard" to draw on the SE Gold, read in another thread where I advice to manipulate one of the airholes by covering with tape. That technique makes the SE Gold produce close to the same vapor as the JOYE 510.

IANAN · 11-03-2009, 01:08 PM

Heaven gifts sells the atomizers for the RN4081 for 5.50 -- Would absolutely recommend doing business with these guys- but keep in mind they are in China and give it a weak and a half for it to ship.

Tipping the e-cig up when inhaling will cause fluid to leak back into the mouth piece. Pop the cap off the cartridge and swab it out with a q-tip and then replace the mouthpiece cap. Like I said-- learning curve with this model.

Placing your thumb over one of the air holes will also do the trick- if you don't want to use tape.

ladysolitary85 · 11-04-2009, 05:50 AM

I've tried the covering the holes trick with the SE Gold. Here's another issue I'm having with it.... when I start a fresh cartridge, it gives me a decent few puffs, but once the day ends The flavor is weak and I'm not sure if its because its already out and needs juice or not. I don't really understand HOW it would be out when I take 4 puffs at a time then wait a few hours later to try again (unlike analog, I would say I take about... 20 or so puffs, mind you I haven't counted yet, but still) can I actually use a e-cig like I would (inhaling/number of puffs wise) like I would with an analog? Or is it just that; few puffs, atomizer warm, done deal?

IANAN · 11-05-2009, 12:12 PM

You should expect about 60 puffs (Or less) from a full regular RN 4081 cartridge. They do sell double carts though. The battery should last 120 (Or less puffs) on a full charge - I get closer to 80 or so.

There are 10-15 puffs in a traditional cigarette depending on how hard you draw.

As the cart runs out of fluid and the battery runs down you will get less puffs.

Don't believe the advertising claims -- a 4081 cart is 4-6 cigs.

I run through 4 bats and 5 carts a day.

Get yourself some tasty e-juice and refill your carts for about 30 cents each.

ladysolitary85 · 11-06-2009, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IANAN

You should expect about 60 puffs (Or less) from a full regular RN 4081 cartridge. They do sell double carts though. The battery should last 120 (Or less puffs) on a full charge - I get closer to 80 or so.

There are 10-15 puffs in a traditional cigarette depending on how hard you draw.

As the cart runs out of fluid and the battery runs down you will get less puffs.

Don't believe the advertising claims -- a 4081 cart is 4-6 cigs.

I run through 4 bats and 5 carts a day.

Get yourself some tasty e-juice and refill your carts for about 30 cents each.

Thank's Ianan for the heads up. My e-cig cart last me a day a day in a half each, but again thats 2 or 4 puffs at a time. I definitely want to find some good e-juice, recommand any places to get them?

IANAN · 11-06-2009, 03:27 AM

I am partial to E-Cig.com's 24 mg Rose Juice (Only company I know that sells pre-made rose juice) .... that's me though... it's an acquired taste. E-cig is based out of China... last shipment from them spent 3 days in US customs (15 day total from order to ship- not bad for a shipment from China).... In other-words may want to find a US Vendor...

E-Liquid reviews from various vendors can be found here;

E-Liquid Reviews - e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat

I have bought hardware from Heavens Gift... these guys are good... They also sell liquid. If you buy from them pick up a DSE 103 Bat and a few spare RN4081 atomizers (It produces a wicked amount of vape when you mix the two)..

Anyhow with a fresh battery and self filled (and topped off cart) the RN 4081 produces quite a bit of vapor.

10-31-2009, 02:58 PM	#62
IANAN Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 167	Look around... all the X day trials are a fraud. They hide the details in fine print and legalese-- but you end up paying them a monthly fee after the 15 days are up unless you cancel, and all of them make it oh so easy to cancel. This doesn't even get into the fact that a percentage of people will not cancel, even if they are unsatisfied with the product/service. Anyhow their tobacco flavored carts, although expensive, have a decent taste. Just purchase from a Kiosk. Their product is compatible with other RN 4081 devices (NJoy NPro, Smokes 51 Trio, TW Super Mini,Pee-Wee, ETC ETC) and can be fitted with a DSE 103 Atomizer (DSE 103 pre-filled carts can be bought at 50 carts for around 20 bucks- mostly from Chinese stores) and the quality seems lower than other styles of 4081s.... As far as being over priced- You can purchase a generic RN 4081 or DSE 103 kit for less than $30.00 (And it comes with 2 bats), NJoy-NPro kits run about $50-70 (Depends on where you buy them- and it comes with 2 bats), TW kits for $69 (with 2 bats) all the while their SE Gold kit costs $99.00 and read the product contents (Only 1 bat instead of 2).... The RN 4081 also probably isn't the best kit to start on also--- The advantages to the 4081 kits are; 1. Inexpensive replacement parts (If you look around), 2. rugged atomizers (They can take quite a bit of abuse), 3. Local availability for parts and carts (In a pinch you can buy carts and parts from gas stations or mall kiosks), 4. Relative good battery life for the size of bat, 5. Relative ease in self refilling carts and dripping, and 6. If used optimally can produce a fair amount of vapror. The cons to them are; 1. Carts only hold a max of 100 mouthfulls (That is totally topped off) but a more realistic 60 (Or less) useful draws is more common (If you smoke down to the filter you are taking 10-15 draws off your traditional cig- that means you only get 4 - to a max of 10 cigs per cart), 2. battery life is about 2 carts (With a DSE 103 bat 3 carts), 3. They can be a bit hard to use optimally (There is a learning curve) and most starter kit instruction guides don't do a good enough job describing how to use them, 4. Size- They are almost the size and diameter of a regular cig-- The 8084 and E8/V8 are the actual size of a regular cig (effects how you carry them around), and 5. Cost of pre-filled carts- It can cost you more to vape using pre-filled carts than to smoke (If you are purchasing smokes by the carton). Last edited by IANAN; 10-31-2009 at 03:30 PM. Reason: can't do math

11-06-2009, 03:27 AM	#70
IANAN Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 167	I am partial to E-Cig.com's 24 mg Rose Juice (Only company I know that sells pre-made rose juice) .... that's me though... it's an acquired taste. E-cig is based out of China... last shipment from them spent 3 days in US customs (15 day total from order to ship- not bad for a shipment from China).... In other-words may want to find a US Vendor... E-Liquid reviews from various vendors can be found here; E-Liquid Reviews - e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat I have bought hardware from Heavens Gift... these guys are good... They also sell liquid. If you buy from them pick up a DSE 103 Bat and a few spare RN4081 atomizers (It produces a wicked amount of vape when you mix the two).. Anyhow with a fresh battery and self filled (and topped off cart) the RN 4081 produces quite a bit of vapor. Last edited by IANAN; 11-06-2009 at 03:57 AM. Reason: added a bit

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10-31-2009, 03:04 AM	#61
P3rplexity Fly like a Boeing Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 122 Tweet this post!	Alright, everyone out there, DO NOT BUY FROM SMOKING EVERYWHERE!!! They are a down right fraud, their product is over priced, their customer support is the worst I've ever dealt with (not just in the e-cig business, in ANY business.) They say 14 day trial right? HA! They mean 14 days from the time you order it, not mentioning the fact that it takes a month to get to you because they have to "confirm" your address, yet they don't try to contact you till about 10 days from ordering, then it takes another 7-10 days to get to you, by the time you get the package, your 14 day trial is up and they bill you another 100 bucks. I had to spend over 3 weeks to get my refund, and it didn't come easily, if not for my classes in law I wouldn't have been able to articulately threaten them with a lawsuit. So I'm one of the lucky few that got my money back, but I've read soooo many other posts about new users getting suckered in for $115 for their POS product. For much cheaper you can get many other devices which work a hell of alot better than the crap they are peddling over there.

11-02-2009, 07:36 AM	#63
ladysolitary85 Full Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: California Posts: 140	I just bought the "Smoking Everywhere - Gold Edition" e-cig in the mall 3 days ago.... my guy has the one that typically looks like a cig, mine is the pink one.... only because we wanted to tell who's was who's I would of rathered red or black.... but anyways my only problem with it is this is day 3 and I switched cartridges, it seems like I have to take a hard hit to get a enjoyable puff, and I noticed last night there was juice leaking from it somehow on the outside. My cartridges are pre-filled I don't understand whats wrong! I keep wiping it but it comes back... is this normal? my fingers also feels as if I burnt myself after touching the liquid (not on purpose obviously) my guy seems satisfied with his but doesn't have the same problem. My cartridge is high level if that helps any. I was so proud of only having one cigarette yesterday but today I was having a huge nictitine fit because I didn't know if I should leave the e-cig alone or what. I'm a newbie this is my first e-cig.

11-03-2009, 01:08 PM	#66
IANAN Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 167	Heaven gifts sells the atomizers for the RN4081 for 5.50 -- Would absolutely recommend doing business with these guys- but keep in mind they are in China and give it a weak and a half for it to ship. Tipping the e-cig up when inhaling will cause fluid to leak back into the mouth piece. Pop the cap off the cartridge and swab it out with a q-tip and then replace the mouthpiece cap. Like I said-- learning curve with this model. Placing your thumb over one of the air holes will also do the trick- if you don't want to use tape.

11-04-2009, 05:50 AM	#67
ladysolitary85 Full Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: California Posts: 140	I've tried the covering the holes trick with the SE Gold. Here's another issue I'm having with it.... when I start a fresh cartridge, it gives me a decent few puffs, but once the day ends The flavor is weak and I'm not sure if its because its already out and needs juice or not. I don't really understand HOW it would be out when I take 4 puffs at a time then wait a few hours later to try again (unlike analog, I would say I take about... 20 or so puffs, mind you I haven't counted yet, but still) can I actually use a e-cig like I would (inhaling/number of puffs wise) like I would with an analog? Or is it just that; few puffs, atomizer warm, done deal?

11-05-2009, 12:12 PM	#68
IANAN Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 167	You should expect about 60 puffs (Or less) from a full regular RN 4081 cartridge. They do sell double carts though. The battery should last 120 (Or less puffs) on a full charge - I get closer to 80 or so. There are 10-15 puffs in a traditional cigarette depending on how hard you draw. As the cart runs out of fluid and the battery runs down you will get less puffs. Don't believe the advertising claims -- a 4081 cart is 4-6 cigs. I run through 4 bats and 5 carts a day. Get yourself some tasty e-juice and refill your carts for about 30 cents each.