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    Some very interesting and well thought-out posts in this thread, nice to see the UK-specific situation being discussed in detail. I'm obviously quite new to vaping but I take an active interest in all matters political so I've read up a lot about this whole saga. The latest position of the MHRA is that they will not regulate them as medicines but will "reflect the outcome of continuing negotiations of the European Tobacco Directive".

    Obviously the MHRA's current position is a backtrack on their previous announcement, they seem to be reluctant to isolate themselves and go against the rest of the EU. In my opinion, their original decision to regulate as medical products was quite shocking when the details are examined. Firstly there is the fact that health experts that advised the MHRA to make the decision in fact had undeclared interests in big pharma. Secondly the MHRA conducted a public consultation on the issue and received over 1000 replies. They found that
    The majority of importers and users of unlicensed electronic cigarettes were opposed to regulation by the MHRA
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    The response to consultation suggests there is clear support for MHRA regulation
    My primary reaction to this is who the hell do these people think they are? If the people that use the products do not want a certain type of regulation and the people that sell them don't want the regulation either, then what right does anybody else have to impose it upon them? I know this is academic to an extent now but I think it clearly illustrates the sort of attitude that we are dealing with here from the government and EU.

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    Very true. Welcome to the world of ecig politics, where up is down and down is up.

    - Find a way to reduce smoking mortality by about 70% - then try to ban it.
    - Find a way to solve the problem that smoking prevalence has remained at around 20% of the adult population for many years - then try and ban it.
    - Find a way to reduce the number of UK smokers, which has grown by around half a million in the last few years (not reduced as you would imagine from the propaganda) - then ban it.

    It's all about the money, and health is irrelevant. Everyone who depends on smoking is fighting hard against ecigs - because they have to or see their jobs go. That includes Cancer Research UK, ASH UK, the Dept of Health, the MHRA, and legislators without number at EU level. They are all owned by the smoking economy. They need to protect cancer, protect smoking, and protect pharma - your life and health are of less relevance than a gnat's.

    By the way, the response to the MHRA's 'consultation' went like this: the stakeholders (those whose lives and businesses are at stake, and the vast majority) responded that ecigs should be left alone by the Dept of (Pharmaceutical) Health. The troughers (the rent-seekers and parasites in public health who depend on pharma funding) wanted medicalisation in order to kill off ecigs. As the vote was only about 100:1 against the parasites, they won.

    The EU's 'consultation' went the same way: from about 80,000 responses, virtually all wanted no medicalisation. A few rent-seekers wanted medicalisation. Therefore of course it was medicalisation that won.

    A 'consultation' means a process whereby stakeholders are ignored and corrupt, incompetent parasites get their way: money talks.

    The mass media don't talk about the murderous corruption in our governments (UK and EU). It doesn't pay.


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    Excellent and impressive summary

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    A serious problem that was highlighted in this weeks Independent newspaper is the NHS in the UK, as it is elsewhere on the continent is stuffed to the gills with lobbyists working for big pharma, big tobacco, big money and it is the battle of the grubby handshake which will decide the laws, not actual real reasons or concerns.

    If you go to the top level, it was revealed that the WHO is pretty much under the control of companies like GKL, Bayer etc etc who mercilessly declared a world pandemic over bird flu in order to force countries to buy in Tamilflu and its similar brand products, the UK was stiffed for 5 billion pounds worth of useless and somewhat dangerous medication that it looks like will be thrown away simply because the pandemic advisory board are executives from big medicine companies.

    I read somewhere that the one reason tobacco is allowed to remain as it is, is it is an enormous means of putting other things ills into tobacco's pocket, here in the UK calls for investigations into airplane fuel pollution will be quashed out of hand directly by the Prime Minister, which suggests to me there is something there we should know, especially as people who have never smoked, have never had second hand smoke etc are developing COPD and related illnesses, doctors have been scratching their heads over Leonard Nimoy who hasn't smoked for 30 years yet has developed COPD but Mr Nimoy does live in one of America's most polluted areas and try and get an investigation into aviation pollution in the US and you walk into the same brick wall.
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    I find the whole thing depressing. Well for my part, regardless of the law, I think I have the right to save my own life.

    We shall have to wait and see how many things about vaping those financially interested can devalue (the cost, the flavours, vaping in pubs...), and respond accordingly. I'm not a fan of breaking laws, but as I said above, I think that it must say somewhere I have the right to protect my life, and I'm guessing that that will trump all this BS.
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    I was just sent this by an MEP I had written to:

    "E-cigarettes are not medicines but products that smokers enjoy using as an alternative to cigarettes. They should meet product safety standards and that there should be restrictions on their advertising and marketing, but they still have a major role to play in reducing tobacco-related deaths.

    The Tobacco Products Directive will regulate several things, namely products which do not contain tobacco but are closely linked to tobacco, labelling and packaging of products, additives, internet sales and the tracking of these products.

    You might find this useful guidance from the European Commission on what it has proposed: http://ec.europa.eu/health/tobacco/d...arettes_en.pdf "

    So, this is the future that that MEP seems happy with.
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