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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentAnia View Post
    Don't have the actual text yet, but this was just tweeted: EUROPA - PRESS RELEASES - Press release - Questions & Answers: New rules for tobacco products

    The ecig portion is about halfway down the page.

    ETA: Just skimmed the press release, and IMO it's pretty much self-serving PR.

    Wow!! Just WOW!!! How IMBECILE, how HYPOCRITE, can those people, who have SOLD our health, can be??

    "Governments and society as a whole will benefit from improved public health, namely longer healthy lives. Health is a value in its own right, and a healthy population is a key factor for economic growth. The reduction in tobacco consumption resulting from the new measures is calculated to translate into annual healthcare saving to the amount of €506 million."


    Do you really mean to tell me, that you actually believe that by restricting the MOST effective electronic cigarette types, you will improve public health?? Your ambitious goal is, "2% drop in consumption of tobacco over a period of 5 years. This is roughly equivalent to 2.4 million fewer smokers in the EU"? Really? There are already around 1.5 million vapers, AND EX-SMOKERS, in the UK alone!!

    "In order to ensure the visibility of health warnings, cigarette packs will be required to have a cuboid shape and each pack will contain a minimum of 20 cigarettes."

    So... to make warnings more visible (not that it has worked in the past, you see, many smokers have GOOD SIGHT, thankyouverymuch. And still we smoked on), you decided to ban 10 cig-packs... How is that going to encourage people to smoke LESS? In the US, the size of sodas is being restricted to SMALLER sizes. In Europe, the mandatory packet size is being restricted to BIGGER sizes... does that make any sense at all?

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    @SmokeyJoe:

    excellent summary.
    I have only been involved with this fight for a little over 2 years, but my experience is the same.
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    Oh, and I almost forgot - TVECA!

    It's hard to know what their influence was, but they sent a letter claiming they (and their associates) represent 80% of the European industry and that they fully supported the final draft of article 18.

    It was referred to by Linda McAvan, who stated that the e-cigarette industry was fully in favour of the proposals. If you look at the roster of companies that are members of TVECA you'll see that they are overwhelmingly cigalikes.

    So, when it comes to lobbying, it's possible that the most insidious part of it came from within the e-cigarette industry. Although, that said, I tend to think of the industry as being formed of two separate but parallel industries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anjaffm View Post
    @SmokeyJoe:

    excellent summary.
    I have only been involved with this fight for a little over 2 years, but my experience is the same.
    Thanks Anja. I should clarify that I've been involved in the EU side of things for about 1 year, but in the overall regulatory machinations (in the UK) since 2010.

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    Well, TVECA is a branch of CORESTA.
    And who is CORESTA?
    An association headed by the Tobacco Industry:

    BOARD MEMBERS (2012-2014)
    Alliance One International (USA)
    Borgwaldt KC GmbH (Germany)
    British American Tobacco (UK)
    China National Tobacco Corporation (China)
    Imperial Tobacco Ltd. (UK)
    Japan Tobacco Inc. (Japan)
    KT&G Corporation (South Korea)
    Papierfabrik Wattens GmbH &
    Co KG (Austria)
    R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company (USA)
    Sodim SAS (France)
    Swedish Match North Europe Division (Sweden)
    SWM International Inc. (USA)
    Universal Leaf Tobacco Company (USA)
    University of Kentucky (USA)
    source (German)
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    University of Kentucky has a board member on TVECA? Ellen Hahn's University of Kentucky? What the ...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anjaffm View Post
    Well, TVECA is a branch of CORESTA.
    And who is CORESTA?
    An association headed by the Tobacco Industry:


    source (German)

    Follow the money trail. TVECA has back-stabbed vapers to protect their true interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpargana View Post
    Follow the money trail. TVECA has back-stabbed vapers to protect their true interests.
    of course they have.
    The industry / dealers make more money with non-refillable throwaway junk.

    Big Tobacco - gains. Gets the EU e-cig market handed to them on a silver platter. To market their silly, ineffective, overpriced throwaway trash to the entire EU. Competition wiped out - thanks to "friendly" politicians.
    Big Pharma - gains. Can continue to sell expensive, ineffective NRTs and make a bundle on selling treatment for sick smokers.
    Big Government - gains Can continue to collect cigarette taxes.

    The only one who loses in this deal is the consumer. The human being. But who on earth cares about human beings anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPACKlick View Post
    [strike]hmm, unless I'm missing some over-arching definition of Electronic cigarette here, an Electronic Cigarette onlyexists if it has nicotine in it. A Battery, Tube, Atomiser and Tank are only e-cigs if they have nicotine in them. Trying to find the relevant definitions now. The law, from the reports I have now found, is fan-drafting-error-tastic for little things which mean not what they should.[/strike]


    Ok, found it, all devices that are capable are e-cigs, it's the refill containers that do not count unless they have nicotine in. Although note. An e-cig designed for nasal use is not covered by the policy, so we could all just switch, right?


    And yet, there is potential on that idea... people have curbed insane laws for less than protecting their health!

    I can see the new generation (4th ?) of atomizers: something that you coud screw IN PLACE of the bulb in a metal-tube flashlight (It's NOT and e-cig, officer, it's just a flashlight missing it's lamp ), having not one MOUTHPIECE, but two 'nose-pieces' to fit in your nostrils (Look, officer, it's NOT a mouthpiece. There are TWO tips; people only have ONE mouth... )

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    So here is the top comment from the BBC's report on this

    Quote Originally Posted by LunaRaine
    We ecig users have battled & fought for our right to stay off of tobacco using our devices. As adults we enjoy flavours (I exclusively use sweet ones at 35yrs old) & it is right that we can access ecigs as freely as we can tobacco. We have been largely ignored & sometimes slandered so today was a huge win for us. Ecigs ARE regulated despite what the public are being told & do NOT harm others.
    Wish I could ask what Luna sees to celebrate that I don't.
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