The Analysis

**exogenesis** · 04-09-2009, 01:16 AM

Think my (ordinary) soldering iron must be too hot, all I get is a flashes of loads of vapour & no deposit,
also just realised I was filling the room with loads of 20mg vapour
- if I kept that up too long I'd OD

(tried dripping as well, same effect)

edit: got the autosmoker re-running, hopefully by work-time it'll have a decent deposit
for analysis.

**kinabaloo** · 04-09-2009, 01:41 AM

Exogenesis - you will run it over night? Sure there's no danger?

Interesting result - maybe running attys hotter also helps lessen deposit as Magnum users often say.

**exogenesis** · 04-09-2009, 02:51 AM

Don't you ever sleep ? (rhetorical question also)

I've run it previously 3 or 4 days 24 hrs, hasn't burnt the house down yet,
it's only 0.6 amps/1.8 watts & it's got a strong fan draft blowing on it & open windows
- looking good atm.
Must sleep now zzzzzzz

**Sun Vaporer** · 04-09-2009, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by exogenesis

I've been assuming nearly 100% carbon,
despite kinabaloo's ideas that there might be some substantial mineral content.

I could have another go at XPS (elemental) analysis of a gunked coil/wick,
this time without cleaning it first (must be 100% 'dry' first though).

The carbon/oxygen ratio during ion-etching through the layers may
give a clue as to how close to 'just' carbon it is & whether it's mainly
elemental cabon, carbide or organic carbon
- and for the latter the relative amounts/types of oxygen bonding.

If any other elements (e.g. calcium) turn up in reasonable amount, I'll
be able to tell if these minerals are present.
(I'll discount chromium & nickel & silicon, since these will come from the coil/wick
-if I etch down that far).

Gets a bit tricky with a physically 'lumpy' sample to analyse though.

Trouble is, currently my 'worst' coil (just removed it from it's casing), only has a light deposit

(my autosmoker coil was gunking-up great, till I managed to physically break the wire - damn!)

edit: posting synchrony kinabaloo

exogenesis--I look foward to your analysis results--I do think that we will find the composition of VG is different then PG under kinabaloo's theory of the case--visual results to show and post tomm as we are giving them another day of vaping.---Sun

**iam0z** · 04-09-2009, 04:18 AM

ruyandirect.com is where i get the atomizers and it states one year warranty and here is the Guarantee Policy

All items are refundable excluding shipping cost and handling fee within 7 days of receipt without any reason, and the item should be returned in original condition.

Most of our products have a certain guarantee period. Please check the item description carefully. During guarantee period, customer please send back the broken unit to us and we will send you a new one for replacement after we receive the broken unit. The customer please afford all the shipping costs.

AH! and there is the rub. i have to pay to send them back and to have the replacements shipped back to me. but still they are guaranteed for a years time. now shipping them back doesn't make much sense but, this tells me they make a product that should be sturdy enough to last for a year.

**iam0z** · 04-09-2009, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by Sun Vaporer

iam0z--We would love to have the residue identified, but we do not know how. We do not have a lab like CSI Miami here and any ideas on how we could go about that that is reasonable and cost effective would be appreciated. I am sure a lab with the right equitment could identify it--but where do we find on that will test if for a reasonable price is the issue----Sun

now come on Sun buddy. the color of the burned sample when immersed in a flame? and since when do you have to be on the CSI staff to own a butane lighter? and are we not connected to the internet to find charts tables and or information on how to interpret these results? PLEASE!! Once we know for a fact what this substance is then we can find a way to rid ourselves of this annoyance ok? I am trying to help you folks and i get ragged on maybe i should just keep my damn mouth shut

**Sun Vaporer** · 04-09-2009, 04:30 AM

iam0z--your post belongs in the e-smoking products and reviews section. So there is no confusion, this is the Experimenting with Equitment section and has to do with Members experimenting with their devices---please try to be careful and Thanks---Sun

**Sun Vaporer** · 04-09-2009, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by iam0z

now come on Sun buddy. the color of the burned sample when immersed in a flame? and since when do you have to be on the CSI staff to own a butane lighter? and are we not connected to the internet to find charts tables and or information on how to interpret these results? PLEASE!! Once we know for a fact what this substance is then we can find a way to rid ourselves of this annoyance ok? I am trying to help you folks and i get ragged on maybe i should just keep my damn mouth shut

IamOZ--thanks for your comments, but most of us here are not Chemists--but we are also not ignorant either. We have been working on this for quite some time now and expending a lot of time, effort and money---I really could care less about what it the residue is if we can clean it off the coil. But some members here thing may be important. We are looking for a SAFE, effective, and easy way to remove the residue and safe our atomizers. Anyhow, your comments are in fact welcome--Thanks--Sun

**iam0z** · 04-09-2009, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by Sun Vaporer

iam0z--your post belongs in the e-smoking products and reviews section. So there is no confusion, this is the Experimenting with Equitment section and has to do with Members experimenting with their devices---please try to be careful and Thanks---Sun

Excuse me ok? but somone in this section asked me where i get them from with that price and guarantee ok?