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puff-puff-pass · 04-14-2009, 05:01 AM

What would be a test for that? Maybe heat-up a soldering iron and drop flavoring onto it?

I guess if you drip enough times...say 20 drips...a person could look to see if anything is left on the iron.

Sun Vaporer · 04-14-2009, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puff-puff-pass

What would be a test for that? Maybe heat-up a soldering iron and drop flavoring onto it?

I guess if you drip enough times...say 20 drips...a person could look to see if anything is left on the iron.

We are using real brand new atomizers to get to the bottom of this with a lot of help from kinabaloo et al. So this is no mock deal--we what real life results here if it takes 100 atomizers to get to the bottom of this issue---Sun

kinabaloo · 04-14-2009, 05:23 AM

While it is certain that juices vary in dry deposit levels and this will affect atomizer lifetime, we dont have anything like complete knowledge on which ones are best. Puff - using a soldering iron would give a rough idea. Heating a fixed amount in a teaspoon over a flame would give a more accurate/visual result.

Some of the other factors it would be nice to know include:

Is there a difference between PG and VG-based juices? We are now running experiments to find out whether VG and PG themselves contribute to the deposit by partially decomposing. VG has a much higher boiling point.

'Dripping is harmful' - fact or fiction (some say this is fiction as carts make more money, but let's see)

'Running at higher voltages reduces atty lifespan' - true or false (there's hearsay both ways; let's find out what the data shows)

planetofthevapes · 04-14-2009, 05:50 AM

Hmmm, this is all very interesting.

Kissbox atomizers
3 atomizers lasted 1 week each (all were used extremely heavily with janty juices. Tipping the atomizers upside down at end of day until the next morning didn't seem to lengthen their lifespan at all. Also tried blowing air through them, nothing changed.)
1 atomizer lasted 4 days (used lightly with janty juices, topping off carts)
1 atomizer lasted 4 weeks (and still works, just seems like I'm getting vapor, but wrong temperature, not satisfying anymore. Heavy use. I have used this with janty juices and also some cut to half nic levels with some VG and a bit of vodka)

Liberty Stix atomizer (DSE 103C?)
2 lasted approximately 1 week each. Both were used heavily refilling with Jane's ecigsales juice. No cleaning was performed. Topping off carts.

NJOY NPRO
1 atomizer lasted approximately a month on EXTREMELY light use, another lasted 2 weeks on heavy use. Also using Jane's ecigsales juice. No cleaning performed. Topped off carts.

As we all have seen, the main issue with the "cold" atomizer is the black carbon like gunk that builds up on the atomizer. I suppose that I have seen a slight improvement with doing half pg, half vg, and some vodka (with the thought that maybe since alcohol is a solvent to pg and vg????) has helped a bit. I cannot tell for sure though, because mine always last longer than my husbands by at least two-fold. It seems to be in how hot we allow our atomizers to burn. I have tried the cola cleaning, no change. I am not gutsy enough to take an atomizer and boil it in lemon juice. But as I'm sitting here realizing that I have a handful of off-brands sittings waiting to be vaped, what do I have to lose by trying it....

kinabaloo · 04-14-2009, 07:22 AM

planet - one or two weeks only is not good!

"mine always last longer than my husbands by at least two-fold. It seems to be in how hot we allow our atomizers to burn" - you mean longer drags, or something else?

I would suggest heating the lemon juice and then adding the atomizer.

lordmage · 04-15-2009, 01:00 AM

* Model number (901, 801, etc)
901x3
* Lifetime and use profile (e.g. '2 months, used daily, light use')
2 months rotation with each other used daily blown dry nightly and warm water soaked and dried weekly
* Power supplys used (e.g. 'standard battery and occasional passthrough')
standard batt no passthur

* While what you were doing at the time (this may be coincidental, it is still worth noting)
trying to vap
* Had you performed any cleaning? (if so, what and how often)
listed above
* What juices did you mainly use (specify brand, flavor and if whether PG, VG or both, if known)
pg vg mixes from johnson creek
* drip, cartridge or both
dripped,topped carts,carts
* If you can see the heater coil, how does it look?
coil was black in one a grey brown in two

no pics sorry but was able to dismantle them discovered in all cases either the build up got to much and cause a disconnect in the coil with the circuit or wiring snapped off at the atomiser connection

birdbrain · 05-18-2009, 01:25 PM

901's 3 of them in one month. Am I just unlucky?
Measured resistance after reading about "cleaning", they all measured open.
Took 1st one apart, found wires had broken off at battery connector ring.
Repaired all three using them, whilst waiting for new order delivery.
Going to use the new ones on arrival, if they fail open circuit in the 1st month will ask for guarantee replacement.
So repairs will be backups.

raffytaffy · 05-18-2009, 01:33 PM

Model number: Njoy 801
* Lifetime and use profile : 1.5 days
*standard batt
*trying to vap
* no cleaning
* factory cartridge

Majestic · 05-18-2009, 02:22 PM

Since March 1st I've gone through 7 atomizers with daily vaping with cartridges on my DSE901. No dripping. Here is my history....

First atty worked good the first day, lousy after that. Was warranty replaced. After numerous cleaning tricks it finally died. Battery powered and Johnson Creek & Pure Smoker juice.

Second atty lasted a couple of days and died. Dissection showed a broken solder connection. Battery powered and Johnson Creek & Pure Smoker juice.

Third atty lasted almost four weeks. Finally died when it got fried when the battery came on while refilling the cartridge. Battery powered and Johnson Creek & Pure Smoker juice.

Fourth atty lasted about 3 weeks when I fried it. The button stuck on my manual 5v pass through. Sure made a nice snap, crackle and pop sound. Battery and manual pass through powered with Johnson Creek & Pure Smoker juice.

Fifth atty lasted almost 3 weeks when I partially fried it. I got distracted and forgot to release the manual button. It died a couple of days later. Battery and manual pass through powered with Johnson Creek & Pure Smoker juice.

Sixth atty just went cold after two weeks of use. Battery and manual pass through powered with Johnson Creek & Pure Smoker juice.

Seventh atty lasted about 36 hours. Just went cold. Battery and manual pass through powered with Johnson Creek & Pure Smoker juice.

My cleaning regime consisted of draining and blowing out nightly. Rinse out with hot tap water once a week. Attys #6 & 7 I tried rinsing out with a daily full force hot tap water cleaning. I have since discontinued that as I suspect it led to their early death. I have also reduced the voltage on my manual PT from 5.2 to 4.6. Will see how it goes.

Palmetto · 05-20-2009, 03:33 PM

The culprit's fairly obvious on this one:

2 DSE901 (the original) attys and one RN4075 serially fried each in about a week or less on an automatic USB 901 pass-through connected to a powered 5V hub, with no in-line battery. Mostly ECig flue-cured liquid and some JC Tobacco liquid.

1 RN4075 still going strong after 4 weeks with the same liquids on an SD.

Heavy use on SD; medium use on USB. No cleaning except for occasional blow-out and overnight drain. Did try soaking dead ones in coke or hot lemon juice mixture -- still dead.

04-14-2009, 05:01 AM	#11
puff-puff-pass Donate to ECF damn-it! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Alberta Posts: 441	What would be a test for that? Maybe heat-up a soldering iron and drop flavoring onto it? I guess if you drip enough times...say 20 drips...a person could look to see if anything is left on the iron. __________________

04-14-2009, 05:23 AM	#13
kinabaloo ECF Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: london uk / beijing china Posts: 3,293	While it is certain that juices vary in dry deposit levels and this will affect atomizer lifetime, we dont have anything like complete knowledge on which ones are best. Puff - using a soldering iron would give a rough idea. Heating a fixed amount in a teaspoon over a flame would give a more accurate/visual result. Some of the other factors it would be nice to know include: Is there a difference between PG and VG-based juices? We are now running experiments to find out whether VG and PG themselves contribute to the deposit by partially decomposing. VG has a much higher boiling point. 'Dripping is harmful' - fact or fiction (some say this is fiction as carts make more money, but let's see) 'Running at higher voltages reduces atty lifespan' - true or false (there's hearsay both ways; let's find out what the data shows) Last edited by kinabaloo; 04-14-2009 at 05:26 AM.

04-15-2009, 01:00 AM	#16
lordmage House cleaning Mod. Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dundalk,Maryland, USA Posts: 2,579 Blog Entries: 2	* Model number (901, 801, etc) 901x3 * Lifetime and use profile (e.g. '2 months, used daily, light use') 2 months rotation with each other used daily blown dry nightly and warm water soaked and dried weekly * Power supplys used (e.g. 'standard battery and occasional passthrough') standard batt no passthur * While what you were doing at the time (this may be coincidental, it is still worth noting) trying to vap * Had you performed any cleaning? (if so, what and how often) listed above * What juices did you mainly use (specify brand, flavor and if whether PG, VG or both, if known) pg vg mixes from johnson creek * drip, cartridge or both dripped,topped carts,carts * If you can see the heater coil, how does it look? coil was black in one a grey brown in two no pics sorry but was able to dismantle them discovered in all cases either the build up got to much and cause a disconnect in the coil with the circuit or wiring snapped off at the atomiser connection __________________ Regards, Mage What senses do we lack that we cannot see and cannot hear another world all around us? Bureaucracy destroys initiative. There is little that bureaucrats hate more than innovation, especially innovation that produces better results than the old routines. Do not be trapped by the need to achieve anything. This way, you achieve everything.

05-18-2009, 02:22 PM	#19
Majestic Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: N.E. Wisconsin Posts: 249	Since March 1st I've gone through 7 atomizers with daily vaping with cartridges on my DSE901. No dripping. Here is my history.... First atty worked good the first day, lousy after that. Was warranty replaced. After numerous cleaning tricks it finally died. Battery powered and Johnson Creek & Pure Smoker juice. Second atty lasted a couple of days and died. Dissection showed a broken solder connection. Battery powered and Johnson Creek & Pure Smoker juice. Third atty lasted almost four weeks. Finally died when it got fried when the battery came on while refilling the cartridge. Battery powered and Johnson Creek & Pure Smoker juice. Fourth atty lasted about 3 weeks when I fried it. The button stuck on my manual 5v pass through. Sure made a nice snap, crackle and pop sound. Battery and manual pass through powered with Johnson Creek & Pure Smoker juice. Fifth atty lasted almost 3 weeks when I partially fried it. I got distracted and forgot to release the manual button. It died a couple of days later. Battery and manual pass through powered with Johnson Creek & Pure Smoker juice. Sixth atty just went cold after two weeks of use. Battery and manual pass through powered with Johnson Creek & Pure Smoker juice. Seventh atty lasted about 36 hours. Just went cold. Battery and manual pass through powered with Johnson Creek & Pure Smoker juice. My cleaning regime consisted of draining and blowing out nightly. Rinse out with hot tap water once a week. Attys #6 & 7 I tried rinsing out with a daily full force hot tap water cleaning. I have since discontinued that as I suspect it led to their early death. I have also reduced the voltage on my manual PT from 5.2 to 4.6. Will see how it goes. __________________ DSE 901 Owner & User Last edited by Majestic; 05-18-2009 at 02:24 PM. Reason: typo

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04-14-2009, 05:50 AM	#14
planetofthevapes Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pandhandle of Nebraska Posts: 269	Hmmm, this is all very interesting. Kissbox atomizers 3 atomizers lasted 1 week each (all were used extremely heavily with janty juices. Tipping the atomizers upside down at end of day until the next morning didn't seem to lengthen their lifespan at all. Also tried blowing air through them, nothing changed.) 1 atomizer lasted 4 days (used lightly with janty juices, topping off carts) 1 atomizer lasted 4 weeks (and still works, just seems like I'm getting vapor, but wrong temperature, not satisfying anymore. Heavy use. I have used this with janty juices and also some cut to half nic levels with some VG and a bit of vodka) Liberty Stix atomizer (DSE 103C?) 2 lasted approximately 1 week each. Both were used heavily refilling with Jane's ecigsales juice. No cleaning was performed. Topping off carts. NJOY NPRO 1 atomizer lasted approximately a month on EXTREMELY light use, another lasted 2 weeks on heavy use. Also using Jane's ecigsales juice. No cleaning performed. Topped off carts. As we all have seen, the main issue with the "cold" atomizer is the black carbon like gunk that builds up on the atomizer. I suppose that I have seen a slight improvement with doing half pg, half vg, and some vodka (with the thought that maybe since alcohol is a solvent to pg and vg????) has helped a bit. I cannot tell for sure though, because mine always last longer than my husbands by at least two-fold. It seems to be in how hot we allow our atomizers to burn. I have tried the cola cleaning, no change. I am not gutsy enough to take an atomizer and boil it in lemon juice. But as I'm sitting here realizing that I have a handful of off-brands sittings waiting to be vaped, what do I have to lose by trying it....

04-14-2009, 07:22 AM	#15
kinabaloo ECF Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: london uk / beijing china Posts: 3,293	planet - one or two weeks only is not good! "mine always last longer than my husbands by at least two-fold. It seems to be in how hot we allow our atomizers to burn" - you mean longer drags, or something else? I would suggest heating the lemon juice and then adding the atomizer.

05-18-2009, 01:25 PM	#17
birdbrain Full Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: West country UK Posts: 10	901's 3 of them in one month. Am I just unlucky? Measured resistance after reading about "cleaning", they all measured open. Took 1st one apart, found wires had broken off at battery connector ring. Repaired all three using them, whilst waiting for new order delivery. Going to use the new ones on arrival, if they fail open circuit in the 1st month will ask for guarantee replacement. So repairs will be backups.

05-18-2009, 01:33 PM	#18
raffytaffy Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6	Model number: Njoy 801 * Lifetime and use profile : 1.5 days standard batt trying to vap * no cleaning * factory cartridge

05-20-2009, 03:33 PM	#20
Palmetto Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Posts: 178 Tweet this post!	The culprit's fairly obvious on this one: 2 DSE901 (the original) attys and one RN4075 serially fried each in about a week or less on an automatic USB 901 pass-through connected to a powered 5V hub, with no in-line battery. Mostly ECig flue-cured liquid and some JC Tobacco liquid. 1 RN4075 still going strong after 4 weeks with the same liquids on an SD. Heavy use on SD; medium use on USB. No cleaning except for occasional blow-out and overnight drain. Did try soaking dead ones in coke or hot lemon juice mixture -- still dead.