Decomposition of VG to acrolein - Page 11 - E-Cigarette Forum

kinabaloo · 05-03-2009, 10:14 PM

I noticed in the reports a small trend to usb blowing attys more so that higher voltages but from battery; presumably because batteries kind-of current limit due to internal resistance. But hardly scientific. In any case, the higher voltage is not the cause of demise, rather the deposit - physically hindering expansion, wrenching a snap as it grows or heat-insulating the wire to over heat; probably all guilty.

No-deposit forming juices are a real possibility and could be made right now, jumping right over the cleaning issue; attys might then last months on average (if still working after the first few days/week).

I'm not sure how easy it would be to include nicotine though so that there is no deposit, the kind used in inhalers I guess, certainly not from a tobacco soak that would be full of resins etc.; but not sure if this is simply pure nicotine dissolved in water or other solvent, or a bound-nicotine where the binder might not evaporate.

surbitonPete · 05-03-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kinabaloo

No-deposit forming juices are a real possibility and could be made right now, jumping right over the cleabing issue; attys might then last months on average (if still working after the first few days/week).

That seems to me the best way to go.....it would solve the problems across the board. Trouble is I want some now ....today.....lol.

exogenesis · 05-03-2009, 11:08 PM

Letzin is really beginning to piss me off,
stop arguing about it as if you know something nobody else does,
find out the f'ing facts
Read the report properly, ask them to clarify the 'smoked' GC anomolies.

(& why the removed links ?)

Apart from that, PG still has no deposit at all.

Good night all, too many beers.

Kate · 05-03-2009, 11:14 PM

Just ignore him Exo, he's an Intellicig fanboy. He's had a few digs at me for not thinking what I'm supposed to.

surbitonPete · 05-03-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by exogenesis

Letzin is really beginning to piss me off,
stop arguing about it as if you know something nobody else does,
find out the f'ing facts
Read the report properly, ask them to clarify the 'smoked' GC anomolies.

(& why the removed links ?)

Apart from that, PG still has no deposit at all.

Good night all, too many beers.

Wow Exo

... you need to get rid of the fish and put the scary face back up for a post like that.... lol but I know how you feel.....one or two technical reports might be a help but they prove nothing about the real world of vaping.

Nuck · 05-03-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by surbitonPete

Wow Exo

... you need to get rid of the fish and put the scary face back up for a post like that.... lol but I know how you feel.....one or two technical reports might be a help but they prove nothing about the real world of vaping.

I like the guy. I understand there are differences of opinion but it doesn't need to be made personal.

Outside of that, I disagree with you about the reports. The reports are by far the best evidence we have of the level of safety with regard to vaping. Forum science is a nice distraction but will never have the weight of a real lab running tests by qualified technicians.

Kate · 05-03-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuck

I like the guy. I understand there are differences of opinion but it doesn't need to be made personal...

Did you just contradict yourself there Nuck by saying something personal and then saying you didn't need to?

kinabaloo · 05-03-2009, 11:24 PM

I'm just sipping away at my shiraz-cabernet-merlot, with a hint of acrolein; maybe I'm addicted to the stuff !

wine acrolein - Google Search

Nuck · 05-03-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kate

Did you just contradict yourself there Nuck by saying something personal and then saying you didn't need to?

I like the guy in a purely objective scientific way!

Kate · 05-03-2009, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuck

I like the guy in a purely objective scientific way!

Ha, I think you should join the gay group in that case

05-03-2009, 10:14 PM	#101
kinabaloo PV Master ECF Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: london uk / beijing china Posts: 3,395	I noticed in the reports a small trend to usb blowing attys more so that higher voltages but from battery; presumably because batteries kind-of current limit due to internal resistance. But hardly scientific. In any case, the higher voltage is not the cause of demise, rather the deposit - physically hindering expansion, wrenching a snap as it grows or heat-insulating the wire to over heat; probably all guilty. No-deposit forming juices are a real possibility and could be made right now, jumping right over the cleaning issue; attys might then last months on average (if still working after the first few days/week). I'm not sure how easy it would be to include nicotine though so that there is no deposit, the kind used in inhalers I guess, certainly not from a tobacco soak that would be full of resins etc.; but not sure if this is simply pure nicotine dissolved in water or other solvent, or a bound-nicotine where the binder might not evaporate. Last edited by kinabaloo; 05-03-2009 at 10:36 PM.

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05-03-2009, 11:08 PM	#103
exogenesis ὅπερ ἔδει δεῖξαι ECF Veteran Supporting Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: UK Posts: 765	Letzin is really beginning to piss me off, stop arguing about it as if you know something nobody else does, find out the f'ing facts Read the report properly, ask them to clarify the 'smoked' GC anomolies. (& why the removed links ?) Apart from that, PG still has no deposit at all. Good night all, too many beers.

05-03-2009, 11:14 PM	#104
Kate Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 7,336	Just ignore him Exo, he's an Intellicig fanboy. He's had a few digs at me for not thinking what I'm supposed to.

05-03-2009, 11:24 PM	#108
kinabaloo PV Master ECF Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: london uk / beijing china Posts: 3,395	I'm just sipping away at my shiraz-cabernet-merlot, with a hint of acrolein; maybe I'm addicted to the stuff ! wine acrolein - Google Search