no-acrolein-atomizer-test-not-dry

**Niniane** · 08-10-2009, 07:18 AM

Thank you for the info

**StratOvation** · 08-10-2009, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Shining Wit

ECOpure has no PG but a large amount of VG. When tested at the University lab
using the very latest equipment and methods, a specific test was requested for the presence of acrolein.
This was tested for at temperatures up to 300 Deg Centigrade with no measurable traces.
For the amateur scientists who take an extremely pedantic view, that means that
there were no measurable traces, but there might have been one part in 500 trillion.
In simple terms, there was no acrolein found.
John.

Hi John,

Are the test results you quote available to the public? Have the results been published? A professionaly conducted test in a lab setting will carry alot more weight with the public than my simple home test with a Multimeter.
Please provide a link to the report if it is available.

Thanks again,
Mike

**surbitonPete** · 08-10-2009, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by StratOvation

Hi John,

Are the test results you quote available to the public? Have the results been published? A professionaly conducted test in a lab setting will carry alot more weight with the public than my simple home test with a Multimeter.
Please provide a link to the report if it is available.

Thanks again,
Mike

Hi strato I think this will take you to a pdf report..... although I don't understand it lol

http://www.intellicig.com/images/pdf...2009-04-14.pdf

**StratOvation** · 08-11-2009, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by surbitonPete

Hi strato I think this will take you to a pdf report..... although I don't understand it lol

http://www.intellicig.com/images/pdf...2009-04-14.pdf

Very good info Pete, thanks for the link!

**Toro** · 09-28-2009, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by StratOvation

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Conclusions:
IMHO, The dry coil is capable of far exceeding the stated decomposition temp of VG (280-290C). However,When wetted, The coil peak temp is dramatically reduced and becomes incapable (under these conditions) of achieving required temps to decompose the VG into Acrolein.
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Originally Posted by Shining Wit

...
This was tested for at temperatures up to 300 Deg Centigrade with no measurable traces.
...

Very good info!!!

**DonleyDoRight** · 12-06-2009, 12:18 AM

Thank you both John and Strato,
You just stopped me from ordering a jug of PG to blend into my extractions.
Good work.
Rock On

**eclypse** · 01-08-2010, 05:50 AM

Anyone know how hot a 510 atty gets under 5/6 volt load?

**mail** · 03-18-2010, 04:10 AM

DISCLAIMER: I just had an idea to test if we're fully safe. NOTE: I am not in physics, healthcare or chemistry, so everything I write below could be totally wrong. This is a best effort from my part with the little I know about the topics discussed her. If you keep reading below it is at your own risk!!!

I agree the way to vape totally safely is to verify the coil cannot go above 280C and I personally think VG may be safer than PG in the long term.

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NOTE: I've no idea if the above website is legit or trustworthy, but that plus the fact that one can safely have more VG than PG per day make me generally prefer VG to PG.

If you go ahead reading this post, you understand that putting my idea into practice is very risky for your health and that you're doing the test at your own risk only if you understand all the risks involved in doing it. I am not recommending it and I think it's hazardous. But I'd be personally interested to know the result of my idea. NOTE: THE ATOMIZER WOULD NEED TO BE THROWN AWAY IMMEDIATELY IN THE TRASH AFTER THE TEST AS IT WOULD BE CONTAMINATED BY THE TEST FLUID. THE ATOMIZER USED FOR THE TEST COULDN'T BE USED FOR VAPING EVER AGAIN!!

I think I want to be sure for myself of the max temperature of my coils when not dry, so my simple idea would be instead of trying to measure the temperature of the atomizer, to put into the atomizer some liquid that has a boiling point between 240-260C. If it won't manage to generate vapor I think it'd be a very nice further verification that I fully safe from from the acrolein potential hazard of VG.

Search "DOWTHERM A" on google, first link is a PDF (I can't post links..).

I suppose flash point and fire point means the temperature the gas will catch fire if it is ingnited with flame, and that "autoignition temperature" is the temperature the coil would need to reach for the atomizer to catch fire. The autoignition temp is 599C. Clearly to be safer, one would need to put just a few drops of it in the atomizer, and run the test away from any other potentially ingniting material with low flash point, so if things go bad and atomizer catches fire, nothing very bad might happen (the atomizer has to be thrown away regardless if test is positive negative or destructive).

I know nothing at all about this fluid other than what I read in the above pdf from dow.com.

DOWTHERM A boiling point at 257C, so it should not generate vapor if the atomizer coil cannot heat above 257C. It is also liquid at temperatures above 12C which makes life easy to fill the atomizer with it.

Clearly the vapor generated by DOWTHERM A might be very hazardous (I didn't check its toxicity at all!) and it definitely shouldn't be inhaled, so this test should be done outside and with a power supply and making sure not to inhale any vapor produced (but we obviously hope no vapor will be procuded at all, that is what we want to be 100% safe from acrolein!).

A test with 100% VG and verifying that (VG is liquid above 17C) might also be interesting, even if it won't guarantee the atomizer isn't heating up to 289C... Perhaps we should start testing with 100% VG on an ambient with temperature above 17C, and verify it won't generate vapor without mixing it with water.

I wonder what people thinks about this, and

1) if people agrees this may be the simplest and cheapest possible way to verify we're safe from acrolein, or if you've better ideas than mine (I have no equipment to measure the coil, furthermore I am afraid the measurement may not be accurate enough if some liquid sticks in between the atomizer coil and the temperature sensor, I think my test of checking no vapor generated is more trustworthy than measuring temperatures, besides requiring no equipment other than the liquid and a power supply with voltage equal to the battery of the ecig)

2) I wonder if there's anything better than DOWTHERM A to use for my no-acrolein-atomizer-test-not-dry

3) if it turns out I was lucky and DOWTHERM A is the ideal liquid to run the test, I wonder where I could find some of it to run the test myself to validate the brand of choice of my atomizers at home...

I think it's important for people to be as safe as they can so a simple way to test for coil not heating above 280C that everyone could do at home on their atomizer brand of choice would be very nice.

Let's say to me the only thing that matters is that ecigs are safer than real cigs, I still try not to smoke but I usually fail and I simply try to vape as little as possible... but I want to be sure I did everything I could to ensure it was a lot safer than real cigs.

Thanks for this great forum

**AndriaMarie** · 04-08-2010, 03:06 AM

There's acrolein in cigarette smoke anyway...
There were studies that were linking that to being a big reason smoking can cause cancer.

Interesting information, though. Thanks!