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			<title>PACT act and smokeless tobacco</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:25:37 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>It appears as if this bill will go to the senate floor for a vote, and you can bet your fathers favorite pipe it will pass. The politicos love this...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>It appears as if this bill will go to the senate floor for a vote, and you can bet your fathers favorite pipe it will pass. The politicos love this one. I've been trying to get information on what this means for smokeless tobacco users. It's not the end of the world. I got this info from a snus forum. <br />
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This is a statement from Swedish Match<br />
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				If the PACT Act were to pass, online sales of snus would be impacted, but not prohibited. <br />
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In summary, the PACT Act requires that companies that engage in direct to consumer sales: (a) age verify consumers both at the time the consumer places an order and also arrange for a private carrier to age verify on delivery; (b) register with the States; (c) provide to the States reports that list consumers to whom they have sold cigarettes or smokeless tobacco products; and (d) collect and remit State excise taxes. <br />
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While we are voicing our concern over the legislation we are also preparing to work within the system that the Congress sets up to ensure that you still will be able to buy a full range of products. <br />
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BR/ <br />
Markus and Joakim <br />
Swedish Match AB @ SnusCENTRAL.org <br />
Joakim <br />
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</div>And this from UPS<br />
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				Thank you for your question about shipping tobacco products. UPS appreciates the business of all its customers, and makes every prudent effort to provide for their needs. The following are specific limitations for the shipment of tobacco products within the UPS system: <br />
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- Shipments of tobacco products will only be accepted from licensed dealers or distributors. <br />
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- Shipments of tobacco products from consumers are prohibited. <br />
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- Shipping of tobacco products from licensed dealers and distributors to consumers will be a contract only service. <br />
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- Shipments between licensed dealers or distributors will not require a contract. <br />
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- Shipments of tobacco products cannot be shipped using One Time Pickup or On Call Pickups. <br />
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As a result of these changes, tobacco products can not be shipped from any UPS retail shipping outlet. The UPS retail shipping outlets are: locations of The UPS Store or Mail Boxes Etc., Customer Centers, Authorized Shipping Outlets (ASOs), Alliance partners (Staples and Office Depot locations), and Commercial Counters. The only exception is for The UPS Store or Mail Boxes Etc. locations where a sales representative or employee of a tobacco company is returning a tobacco shipment back to the company and utilizes any UPS Return Service. <br />
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Our tobacco policy also includes changes due to the changes in state regulations restricting the sale and/or transportation of cigarettes. During this time, we’ve made extensive efforts to comply with all the different regulations, but have come to a point where this is no longer feasible given the size and scope of our global operations. UPS made the business decision to discontinue delivery of cigarettes direct to consumers in order to establish a consistent policy that will work best within this patchwork of differing state requirements on shippers, carriers and recipients. <br />
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For additional information regarding the shipment of tobacco products, please visit the following link: <br />
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<a href="http://www.ups.com/tobacco" target="_blank">UPS: Shipping Tobacco</a> <br />
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Please contact us if you need any additional assistance.
			
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</div>So this is my take on it. You will have to pay state taxes on smokeless tobacco which will be added at the point of sale. All the states have their own rate on this so what you pay depends on where you live. When UPS (or whomever) delivers you will have to verify your age (not a problem for me as I just blind-em my shiny dome). Deal done. <br />
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We shall see how the details work out, as in if there will be an extra charge for shipping because of the age verification, and which shippers will be involved, but this is not a ban on shipping smokeless tobacco. The days of tax free smokeless may be numbered but it's not the end of the world.<br />
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Now, I could be wrong on all this and WE ARE ALL DOOMED, but that's my take on it.</div>

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			<title>My reveiw and selections.</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:18:41 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I have been snusing badly and bad snus for so long it was a giant find and enjoyment level I had not had prior.  
 
With suggestions I ordered from...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I have been snusing badly and bad snus for so long it was a giant find and enjoyment level I had not had prior. <br />
<br />
With suggestions I ordered from get snus. <br />
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From low to high here is the list and my takes on them. <br />
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Discreet, depending on the flavor it is an enjoyable change of pace. The flavors tend to go rancid after a time. <br />
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General Wintergreen is very much like skoal.  Doable but not a fav. <br />
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Grovsnus black.. NOT my fav at all infact I had a hard time forcing a snus load. <br />
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Onyx black.. Ok love it or hate it but is like earl gray tea and very nice. <br />
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Skruf cranberry, think cranberry tobacco and very nice.  I have a hard time NOT keeping one in at all times. <br />
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Claq qui. HATED it at first, think dried fruit soaked in deer pee and that was the first impressions. It grew on me and became a fav. <br />
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Oden's kanel extra sterk portion. OMFG this is my go to, the all father got it.  Los is amazing also not so punch you in the face cinnamon as I expected but subtle and smooth. <br />
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Oden's extra sterk los. Straight tobacco. nice and moist melts and stays put. Cope without the nasty. <br />
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Goteborg Rape.. be a gin fan to use it and enjoy it. slight juniper berry goodness.  Hmm great lasting tobacco flavor with the hint of juniper berries and a nice lasting portion. <br />
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General mini mint. Tiny discreet sized and mint. fresh mint. <br />
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Gotlandssnus flader. WOW fruit city, elderberry very nice. I had some elderberry tea once and did not come close to this lovely packet of snus.</div>

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			<title>Nasal Snuff in RTP</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:22:31 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Anyone know where to get nasal snuff in RTP / Raleigh / Durham area... 
 
I'm an instant gratification kind of guy :) 
 
Thanks! 
Jay 
 
I went to...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Anyone know where to get nasal snuff in RTP / Raleigh / Durham area...<br />
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I'm an instant gratification kind of guy :)<br />
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Thanks!<br />
Jay<br />
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I went to Smoker Friendly asked for McChrystals and she said cristal whats that?</div>

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			<title>Great info guys, recommendations?</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:11:20 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi, I'm an anolog smoker of 20 years or so.  Started snus about a year ago.  Just the gas station Camel Frost.  I'm heavily addicted to nicotine as I...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hi, I'm an anolog smoker of 20 years or so.  Started snus about a year ago.  Just the gas station Camel Frost.  I'm heavily addicted to nicotine as I smoke Swisher Sweets and yes, inhale.  Got me a 510.  Gone from 1.5 down to .5 pack a day.  Maybe 10-15 a day actually.  I stealth vape at work and snus too.  I've found that at 36mg juice doesn't cut it with me.  Ordered some 60mg to cut with hoping that will do the trick.  <br />
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So back to snus.  I'm looking for recommendations.  I like mint, but hate menthol.  I probably need to vape at 48mg, so what would be a close approximation to snus strength?  I like the idea of packets rather than loose snus just for the ease of expectoration.  (There's a word).  I'll list some requirements.<br />
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-High nic.<br />
-Sweet is good<br />
-minty is also desirable<br />
-Cost, no option<br />
-Ease of use<br />
-Tobacco is a good flavor as well, underneath anything else<br />
-Scotch and cigars are good flavors.<br />
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Really guys, any help would be great.  I plan on ordering from buysnus.  I don't want to get lost in a sea of model numbers and suppliers.  Let's keep it simple.  I'm not looking for perfection, just a good starting place.<br />
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Thanks in advance,<br />
-Geoff</div>

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			<title>Your Thoughts on Offroad Los</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:01:45 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I have refused to purchase anything by Offroad, at least as far as portions go, due to bad reviews by those who have used Offroad portions (although...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I have refused to purchase anything by Offroad, at least as far as portions go, due to bad reviews by those who have used Offroad portions (although the cheap price of it worried me as well). However, the los seems to come HIGHLY recommended. On my last order, I ordered ten cans of assorted los, one of which was Offroad Cranberry los. I have been enjoying this snus VERY much. The smell, texture and FLAVOR is incredible. It is easily shaped, so works perfectly for even micro-hits (smaller hits than mini-portions). I am so glad I tried it based on the very good reviews of others and would most certainly buy it again. Offroad Licorice los also comes very highly recommended, so I have added that to the list for my next order.<br />
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For those of you who have used Offroad los, particularly in other flavors aside from cranberry or licorice, what are you thoughts on the los? What are you favorite flavors of Offroad los or what other flavors of Offroad los would you recommend?</div>

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			<title>2009 Snus Crop - With Photos!</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:24:39 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I decided in the spring to attempt to grow tobacco for the first time, in order to eventually be able to make my own snus. I had some setbacks and...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I decided in the spring to attempt to grow tobacco for the first time, in order to eventually be able to make my own snus. I had some setbacks and also planted far too late, and wasn't able to get the plants in the ground until 7/1/09. Two of the original plants survived. That's ok, because my intention was to get my feet wet, learn what is and is not possible, and learn what I needed to know about growing tobacco along the way.<br />
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Here is a picture of the Virginia Gold. That's my size 12 shoe in this photo, which should provide some perspective on the actual size of the leaves:<br />
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<a href="http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=2&amp;u=14517095" target="_blank"><img src="http://i81.servimg.com/u/f81/14/51/70/95/v-311.jpg" border="0" alt="" onload="NcodeImageResizer.createOn(this);" /></a><br />
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As you can imagine, I am VERY excited about the upcoming 2010 growing season. I harvested this plant and the other plant (Turkish) yesterday, so the leaves are hanging for the 90 days air-curing, after which time, pasteurization will commence.<br />
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It's just a matter of time before I will insure I no longer have to pay ANY Federal or State tobacco taxes and governmental interference in my tobacco usage, such as the PACT silliness, will no longer affect my life in any way, shape or form (assuming my GYO/MYO snus doesn't end up tasting like Level or Camel SNUS!).</div>

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			<title>Methonds to quit smoking Using snus</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:18:04 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>This is for heavy smokers out there who are quitting using snus etc.   What was your method?   i know snus delivers nicotine slower than cigarettes. ...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>This is for heavy smokers out there who are quitting using snus etc.   What was your method?   i know snus delivers nicotine slower than cigarettes.  Do you leave it in your mouth a long time?  What is your daily snus routine, and what snus products have been most successful for you.  Do you stick with the reg nicotine, or the extra strong ones?  I am really giving it a big effort to use snus to make me quit smoking.   I just want to get you guys advice and some working tactics to tackle this problem. <br />
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regards</div>

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			<title>Snuff!Snuff!Snuff!</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:37:48 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I've been vaping for a while now and while I am cigarette free, I do find that vaping is just not enough for me some days. I just can't explain it. I...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I've been vaping for a while now and while I am cigarette free, I do find that vaping is just not enough for me some days. I just can't explain it. I vape Dekang 24mg and 18mg juices and I have a variety of e-cigs and some days I'm happy with just vaping but recently I've felt a certain angst. E-cigs are just not cutting it for me 100% of the time. I note that TB supplements his daily nic intake with snus as his main form of nic with vaping providing his oral fixation, but I've tried snus too. Nothing wrong with it but I recently tried snuff and what do I know, but it works far quicker and far better for me. Now I'm trying to find a happy medium between vaping and snuffing. I always thought sniffing brown powder was disgusting but once I tried it a few times with a menthol McCrystals I just loved the feeling and it's no more offensive than the pouches of snus albeit a little messier for sure. Now I find snuff to be a rip snorting start to the day and a couple of pinches throughout the day seem to have me vaping a bit less. I definitely feel the nicotine quicker in snuff than snus.<br />
Now I'm not sure whether I should be enjoying this too much but I'm certainly getting my nicotine needs met and I realise that using the stuff in public might well raise a few eyebrows as it is anything but discreet.</div>

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			<title>My first exp with snus</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:37:55 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Well I like my ecig but it aint cutting it so I decided to try snus. Since I didnt want to buy a bunch and find out that I hate it I bought Camel...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Well I like my ecig but it aint cutting it so I decided to try snus. Since I didnt want to buy a bunch and find out that I hate it I bought Camel mellow what I found out is I could like snus but the camel is way to sweet and kinda taste crappy. What flavors taste more like tobbacco? I'm thinking about going with licorice if I cant find a tobbacco flavor.</div>

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			<title><![CDATA[Let's try these then...]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:23:01 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[E-cigs are all fine and dandy, but there's lots of fiddling with cartridges, batteries and whatnot, so I'm going to give Snus a go. Ordered a roll...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>E-cigs are all fine and dandy, but there's lots of fiddling with cartridges, batteries and whatnot, so I'm going to give Snus a go. Ordered a roll (no point getting just one can, is there?) from Buysnus on thursday, got it today (tuesday), general mini portion. <br />
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Popped one after lunch and damn, it's strong stuff. Absolutely no desire to vape or smoke and the taste isn't half bad. Popped another one just now, even though I didn't actually have a craving, just that my co-worker went for a cigarette. Was probably a mistake, as I'm feeling slightly queasy, so I probably need to readjust after having lowered my nicotine intake through vaping.<br />
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I'll let you know how it goes.</div>

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			<title>Recommendations? Need a good, fast, USA-based source for snus</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:22:45 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi everyone. I'm a 2-week vaper who also wants to try snus to throw some variety into the mix. 
 
I'm looking for a US-based shipper (mainly because...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hi everyone. I'm a 2-week vaper who also wants to try snus to throw some variety into the mix.<br />
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I'm looking for a US-based shipper (mainly because I'm an impatient sort) that is reliable and fast on the shipping.<br />
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I believe that The Northerner, Getsnus and Buysnus all ship from US locations. Northerner seems to have a nice selection but I've read about people having shipping hassles/issues with them.<br />
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Do any of you who order online have a preference for one or more of these companies? If so, what drives your choice?<br />
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Thanks for any tips or insight!</div>

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			<title>Free Discreet snus!</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:37:12 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I know I don't post much in this forum, but my brother works at General tobacco co., so I get my questions answered straight from the company. Long...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I know I don't post much in this forum, but my brother works at General tobacco co., so I get my questions answered straight from the company. Long story short, I called the owner of Discreet awhile back to find out where I could buy it in my area. He sent me an entire box, full of different flavors. Luckily, it was mainly strawberry, my favorite, but I have 5 packs of Peach. Soooo, whoever PM's me first with their name and address I will send these 5 packs of 10 portions each. I will post as soon as someone PM's me. I don't want a full mailbox!:lol: Thanks!</div>

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			<dc:creator>Hinterscher</dc:creator>
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			<title>Shout-Out to isande, T Bob and...</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:47:14 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[stubby and kitabz and who ever else I've spaced. 
 
I was initially shocked at the salt and nic hit when I got my first Swedish snus. As so many of...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>stubby and kitabz and who ever else I've spaced.<br />
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I was initially shocked at the salt and nic hit when I got my first Swedish snus. As so many of you assured me would happen, the salt taste has already gone to the background. Not a distraction at all.<br />
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I believe it was the Wiz and T Bob that held that the snus is an acquired taste. For some perhaps but happily not the case for me. Now that the palate has accepted the salt, I'm thoroughly enjoying the flavor!!!<br />
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For now, the 8mg portions are doing me well in appeasing the nicotine needs. I'll give the Sterk and Ekstra Sterk another shot soon no doubt, but in the meantime, having another means to take care of the nicotine that is enjoyable and does not involve smoke is priceless!<br />
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The initial suggestions and support from everyone is truly appreciated folks.<br />
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But now... so many new flavors to try... which one next.... :D</div>

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