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    Im still new to all of this, but it seems to me that the statement in the above post, "That genie is already out of the bottle a long time ago," carries a lot of weight. Seems like WORST, WORST, utterly WORST case scenario, nic may be the main problem, and convenience--but with the wealth of knowledge and unregulatable accessories available, vaping itself seems impossible to crucify.

    Even if a pain to learn how to be as self-sufficient as possible, and even if zero nic is the only way to go in the future...so be it...I'll vape on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gato del Jugo View Post
    But vaping isn't going bye-bye.. That genie is already out of the bottle a long time ago.. And demand will only continue to grow...
    My sentiments exactly!

    If they wanted to kill e cigarettes they should have done it years ago. It's now grown into a huge market that's both creating jobs and keeping money flowing. E cigarettes aren't going anywhere in the USA. There's just too much at stake.

    Where we really need to focus is in keeping it possible for any "average Joe" to take a few thousand bucks and turning it into a decent business that supports his/herself, his/her family and the local community. Every American should have the opportunity to improve their lot in life and right now e cigarettes make it very possible for most anyone to do that.
    Here's to helping keep it that way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gato del Jugo View Post
    Don't write it off just yet...


    New juice-makers are still coming online every month.. New products are still coming out & in the works.. New vape shops are still opening up..

    The owner of a recently-opened vape shop that made a big splash was asked in an interview how any FDA regulations would be affecting his plans.. He said he was bummed at first, but then shrugged it off & is going full-steam ahead in opening his next store..


    While there's potential risk in starting any business, and the vaping industry is no exception, I believe it will be years before any FDA stuff would have any real impact.. Meanwhile, the industry could get a lot done during that time, you know?


    At the consumer level, I'm keeping all these potential FDA & taxation issues in the back of my mind as I continue my vape journey.. Better safe than sorry..

    I wanted to do this regardless, but I made the effort & gradually stepped down my nic level from 18mg to zero-nic (though sometimes question that decision, LOL).. Others might want to do something similiar, or at least cut back the nic some, if they're a little concerned.. Once you get far enough away from combustible tobacco, I don't think the nic in e-liquid is as addicting as many like to think or claim...

    I also recently started DIY e-liquid.. Really easy, really cheap.. Lots of fun! The FDA cannot regulate the separate ingredients of VG, distilled water & food/beverage flavorings as tobacco products.. Nic base, however, might face a tougher battle.. However, countries like Australia, I believe, have partially gotten around the pre-made e-liquid containing nic, through the use of "doublers"...

    As for PVs, I already like my ProVari's.. Among other things, they're durable & well-built -- and once outside warranty, during a product's lifetime can be sent in for repair at a US company for a reasonable fee, should it ever require it.. I keep this in mind as I gradually expand my ProVari collection.. Other names that have been floated about for surviving in a "vapocalypse" are Reo's & quality mech mods...

    As for toppers, that's the weak link for me.. I've yet to get into some quality RBA's.. I really need to.. I've been wanting to, but just dragging my feet.. Soon enough.. They cannot regulate Kanthal & cotton balls, just as they cannot regulate batteries & chargers & the like...


    In other words, I'm not really doing anything differently because of the FDA.. However, I am keeping it in the back of my mind.. I think it's best if experienced-enough vapers try to be as self-sufficient as reasonably possible..

    But vaping isn't going bye-bye.. That genie is already out of the bottle a long time ago.. And demand will only continue to grow...


    In the meantime, continue to travel your vape journey, wherever it leads you.. It's just unfortunate that we need to use resources to fight the FDA & other regulatory/legislative bodies.. but that's what happens to industries as they begin to mature.. Not saying the vaping fight is completely typical, yet in many ways, it is..

    Don't let it destroy any dreams, though...
    Our chemists say the FDA will require ionized water instead of distilled water. This has zoning applications and a few thousand dollars for vendors with clean rooms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalDoom View Post
    My sentiments exactly!

    If they wanted to kill e cigarettes they should have done it years ago. It's now grown into a huge market that's both creating jobs and keeping money flowing. E cigarettes aren't going anywhere in the USA. There's just too much at stake.

    Where we really need to focus is in keeping it possible for any "average Joe" to take a few thousand bucks and turning it into a decent business that supports his/herself, his/her family and the local community. Every American should have the opportunity to improve their lot in life and right now e cigarettes make it very possible for most anyone to do that.
    Here's to helping keep it that way!
    You obviously have not read the Deeming Regulations or understand their impact. And you are either not aware or do not understand that those who control the Senate, Harkins, Durbin, Rockefeller, Pelosia, etc are all very anti-vaping and want it stopped as much as possible.

    And where you get "there is too much at stake" is a mystery. Just in comparison to the size of the "smoking" population and the financial side of that industry, vaping is a tiny. Compare the vaping industry to the industry that wants it eliminated, Big Pharm, it's like comparing an ant to an M1 Abrams Tank. As things stand now, if vaping went away tomorrow, other than cig-a-likes, what dire consequences would Big Tobacco, Big Pharm or the leaders of the Senate suffer?? What "stake" is so big or high, that they are shaking uncontrollably?

    Thinking that we won't be left with only cig-a-likes if EVERY vaper does not stand-up and get active, is wishful thinking at it's worst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wv2win View Post
    Thinking that we won't be left with only cig-a-likes if EVERY vaper does not stand-up and get active, is wishful thinking at it's worst.
    And thinking EVERY vaper will stand up is wishful thinking. You oughta know this from just the usage ban discussions.

    Is underground market as part of a future of vaping also wishful thinking? Cause, so far, apart from our side overcoming usage bans, I'm not seeing the way through deeming regulations given our self defeating rhetoric.

    IMO, we ought to be putting our eggs in the "move the grandfather date" option. Instead, I feel like there's a handful of us that bring this up, and that is deemed wishful thinking by majority.

    Tell me, anyone, what is not wishful thinking in face of FDA regulations.
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    I personally think that any kind of ban would be very difficult to enforce. All the chemicals except for nicotine are readily available. You can buy USP VG and PG on Amazon. They sell food flavors at Wal-Mart and baking supply stores. Mechanical mods are batteries connected to an adapter. Coils are a piece of wire with some cotton between them. You can easily build a mod with parts scrounged from Radio Shack... I have seen people do it. DIY juice isn't like making .... or smuggling ........ It is a few liquids easily procured and mixed together in the proper proportions.

    Waste of time knee jerk reactions by our talking heads in Washington. It will probably cost the taxpayers a fortune (look how well the war on drugs is doing!) and cost otherwise innocent citizens their money and\or freedom. Got to keep the American Prison Industry running! (one place that the United States is still #1 in the world in! No other country in the world jails as many of its people than America: Land of the free! Including places like North Korea and China!)

    I would be they are more likely to find a way to tax the balls off the industry. The unfortunate side affect of the decline of cigarettes is the loss of EPIC government funds. (funds which, by the way are SUPPOSED to go to health care to offset the medical problems that smokers get, not to fund the governments pet projects...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jman8 View Post
    And thinking EVERY vaper will stand up is wishful thinking. You oughta know this from just the usage ban discussions.

    Is underground market as part of a future of vaping also wishful thinking? Cause, so far, apart from our side overcoming usage bans, I'm not seeing the way through deeming regulations given our self defeating rhetoric.

    IMO, we ought to be putting our eggs in the "move the grandfather date" option. Instead, I feel like there's a handful of us that bring this up, and that is deemed wishful thinking by majority.

    Tell me, anyone, what is not wishful thinking in face of FDA regulations.
    Jman, I agree with you. I think we need to attack the Deeming Regulations on as many fronts as possible, including "move the grandfather date". But I won't give up with encouraging every vaper to become active until the only option left is black market.

    It is "head shaking" to see relatively new members post that there is nothing to worry about. There is no hope for the few older members who post ignorant tripe like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwizard000 View Post
    I personally think that any kind of ban would be very difficult to enforce. All the chemicals except for nicotine are readily available.........................
    Have you read the Deeming Regulations? Would you prefer that every vaper do nothing and believe that nothing will happen? Do you think that a "black market" in nicotine will have no possible adverse consequences in comparison to the current vaping environment?

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    This is my take on what the FDA will do. They will give a grace period. Some will stay in business and some won't. The FDA will regulate the nicotine to less than 20 MG and no more, which means you won't be able to order 100 MG. They will also regulate a store as being either retail or wholesale, so you won't be able to buy bulk nicotine without a wholesalers license just like alcohol.

    Then they will do this an scare everyone away. The FDA will require an efficacy study to be done on the nicotine/juice and its effects, like they do with all drugs. This will probably be the forefront of it all. The downside here is it usually takes 10 years to get through a FDA approval and costs millions to do. Only the BIG companies will be able to do this and probably won't. they kill it through money.

    Then after all of this the FDA will require preservatives and other harmful chemicals to be put into the nicotine juice. This therefore eliminates to use e-cig and go back to stinkies.

    Now there is one thing they cannot do as this is legal and cannot be undone due to prohibition. Grow your own tobacco leaves and extract it yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedtimes View Post
    Now there is one thing they cannot do as this is legal and cannot be undone due to prohibition. Grow your own tobacco leaves and extract it yourself.
    Ok, so can you give me the process to extract nicotine from tobacco? Doing a NET is not getting the nicotine, just the flavor.

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