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    Looks like Stanton Glantz is contradicting himself again…..

    This is from the letter to the WHO he co-signed in response to the previously submitted one (which reflects one of his common assertions regarding e-cigarettes):

    “Most ENDS users are "dual users" who continue to smoke cigarettes. Reviews of evidence about reducing smoking (instead of quitting) show that dual users are unlikely to see any health benefit in terms of cardiovascular disease.”

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    And yet this is from his recent blog post (note: this wasn't written by him but by his colleagues in UCSF, which he obviously supported by adding it to his blog):

    “An extensive literature has shown that in response to a 1percent increase in cigarette prices, overall cigarette consumption among adults would fall by somewhere between 0.3 and 0.7 percent, with about half of the reduction being attributed to the reduced number of current smokers and half attributed to the reduced number of cigarettes consumed per smoker (Chaloupka and Warner, 2000; Gallet and List, 2003; CBO, 2012). Therefore, these price increases will reduce consumption of the regulated tobacco products, which will, in turn, have positive health effects for the public and even lead some consumers to stop using the regulated products.”

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    ucsf.edu/fda-cost-benefit-analysis-ignores-tobacco-companies-pass-costs-through-smokers-raising-prices-reducing-smoking

    Someone needs to call him out on this…
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    You don't get it... Reducing the number of smokes one uses only has positive health benefits if it comes about thru TCI-approved methods. Any other way of doing it is incorrect, does not put $$ in their pockets, therefore cannot serve public health.
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    Who is this Glantz idiot, how did he get whatever his job is, and how do we get RID of idiots like him? Insist on an IQ test in the pre-employment physical?

    I think if we gave IQ tests to everyone in gov't and dismissed all those who didn't score at least 100, the nat'l debt would decrease by half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndriaD View Post
    Who is this Glantz idiot, how did he get whatever his job is, and how do we get RID of idiots like him? Insist on an IQ test in the pre-employment physical?

    I think if we gave IQ tests to everyone in gov't and dismissed all those who didn't score at least 100, the nat'l debt would decrease by half.

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    Glantz is part of the "Center for Tobacco something something" at the Unversity of California San Francisco. I have never been able to find their sources of funding, but I bet it's funded by grants from the Government and Big Pharma. ..meaning we are paying his salary. I wish someone would comment on these sources of funding...you know, follow the money.

    If ecigs were to end tobacco use...well Glantz would be out of a job...that is the reason he is fighting us. It always comes down to power and greed. Someday, perhaps, he will be revealed for the quack he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndriaD View Post
    Who is this Glantz idiot, how did he get whatever his job is, and how do we get RID of idiots like him? Insist on an IQ test in the pre-employment physical?

    I think if we gave IQ tests to everyone in gov't and dismissed all those who didn't score at least 100, the nat'l debt would decrease by half.

    Andria
    Do not underestimate ANTZ. They may sound like idiots to us, but they're actually shrewd (albeit sociopathic) .......s. They created the system and know how to work it to further their agenda. The kind of social engineering they've managed to perpetrate is downright impressive in its sheer success and scope, and is a testament to their cold, calculated nature, as well as IQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMA View Post
    Do not underestimate ANTZ. They may sound like idiots to us, but they're actually shrewd (albeit sociopathic) .......s. They created the system and know how to work it to further their agenda. The kind of social engineering they've managed to perpetrate is downright impressive in its sheer success and scope, and is a testament to their cold, calculated nature, as well as IQ.
    This, they formulated a plan ~ 40 years ago and have successfully implemented it. Then Hon Lic invented something that turned their world upside down and they are feverishly scrambling to maintain their source of unearned income.

    It appears they are being rather successful if the deeming regulations are implemented as written.

    You have to remember they do not give a flying flip about our health, their only concern is maintaining their income stream. This includes BP, BG, BT and their minions the ANTZ.

    Proof? Their 30 years of lying about OTP, see the Swedish miracle, snus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMA View Post
    Do not underestimate ANTZ. They may sound like idiots to us, but they're actually shrewd (albeit sociopathic) .......s. They created the system and know how to work it to further their agenda. The kind of social engineering they've managed to perpetrate is downright impressive in its sheer success and scope, and is a testament to their cold, calculated nature, as well as IQ.
    Agreed. It seems like a couple of years ago we were all trumpeting 2 advantages of e-cigs...namely, use anywhere and reduced cost. Well theANTZ have pretty much squashed the use anywhere advantage thru their clever media campaigns and are now laying the ground work for increased taxes and hence higher costs. In short, they are far from dumb and well funded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMA View Post
    You don't get it... Reducing the number of smokes one uses only has positive health benefits if it comes about thru TCI-approved methods. Any other way of doing it is incorrect, does not put $$ in their pockets, therefore cannot serve public health.




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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMA View Post
    You don't get it... Reducing the number of smokes one uses only has positive health benefits if it comes about thru TCI-approved methods. Any other way of doing it is incorrect, does not put $$ in their pockets, therefore cannot serve public health.
    Bingo.


    Quote Originally Posted by DrMA View Post
    Do not underestimate ANTZ. They may sound like idiots to us, but they're actually shrewd (albeit sociopathic) .......s. They created the system and know how to work it to further their agenda. The kind of social engineering they've managed to perpetrate is downright impressive in its sheer success and scope, and is a testament to their cold, calculated nature, as well as IQ.
    Yup.
    Compare the witch hunters of the Middle Ages. Evil, cold, calculating, greedy for money and power - and feeding a lot of fearmongering manure to the rabble, in order to make the rabble their willing tools. You do not really think that the witch hunters themselves believed in "witches", eh?

    The Malleus Maleficarum ... is divided into three sections. The first section tries to refute critics who deny the reality of witchcraft, thereby hindering its prosecution. The second section describes the actual forms of witchcraft and its remedies. The third section is to assist judges confronting and combating witchcraft.
    source: Malleus Maleficarum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Now take the above text and replace "witchcraft" with "dangers of second-hand smoke".
    Got it?

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    The tobacco control movement has basically become a religion at this point. It relies on magical thinking (e.g. "if it looks like smoking, then it is smoking") and intractable dogmas (e.g. "everyone who uses nicotine is an unreformed smoker, therefore a drug addict, therefore incapable of objectivity"). Saving people's lives, and improving public health, is not something they care about. They are, for all intents and purposes, a pack of Pavlovian dogs who dutifully howl at the moon when so instructed by their handlers.
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