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    I have had some issue's with my juice tasting burnt sometimes lately, especially with my Kick. I use a 50/50 mix. But I usually use 24mg. I believe I read somewhere someone talking about juice tasting burnt easier at higher mg levels when the volts go up? I usually vape at about 4.5 volts. I am thinking about dropping to 18mg if this is true and would fix the problem. Another reason I considered dropping to 18mg was because I have heard some people claim that anything above 18 seems to start to diminish the taste? Or could it be my 50/50 mix being too thin still? Thanks for any info on this.

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    CC, try dropping your voltage, or using a higher ohm atty/carto (i.e., whatever it takes to reduce the wattage).

    Some juices definitely are too frail for higher-voltage vaping; I don't think the nic level has any impact at all (although I could be wrong about that).
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    Quote Originally Posted by EleanorR View Post
    CC, try dropping your voltage, or using a higher ohm atty/carto (i.e., whatever it takes to reduce the wattage).

    Some juices definitely are too frail for higher-voltage vaping; I don't think the nic level has any impact at all (although I could be wrong about that).
    Hey, Thanks for the info! A fellow Missourian at that! Hello neighbor! I agree, the nic level doesn't seem like it would matter, but I have this itching on the back of my neck that says I thought I heard someone say that (of course I need a hair cut too). Anyway, I do use 3 ohm carto's and therefor only vape around 6.75 watts. I am wondering if it could be just the juice I use. Which, if you read this, what are your thoughts on flavor being affected at higher nic levels? I started out at 18 and since moved up to 24. After doing so, it seemed like most of my favorite flav's went downhill. And again, I thought I remember hearing someone mention that as well. Of course, these people I "hear" could either not know what the hell they are talking about, or they are just the voices in my head. Well, two of the Many voices in my head!

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    have you tried dripping your juices to see if it gives you a different flavor? I know that there are quite a few people who feel that the carto filler really alters the flavors of your juice. are the carto's you are using dual coil? If they aren't...just for testing purposes I would throw on a 3ohm atty on the same mod and drip some juices to see what that leaves you with.
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    Maybe you're toasting your carto. Does it feel this way on a fresh carto?

    I use a standard 3.7 batt and 2.0 cartos currently and I only get burn when I'm dumb and just burn the carto. (Going to CE3's and tanks to rememdy this personal flaw. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy Cru View Post
    Anyway, I do use 3 ohm carto's and therefor only vape around 6.75 watts. I am wondering if it could be just the juice I use. Which, if you read this, what are your thoughts on flavor being affected at higher nic levels? I started out at 18 and since moved up to 24. After doing so, it seemed like most of my favorite flav's went downhill. And again, I thought I remember hearing someone mention that as well. Of course, these people I "hear" could either not know what the hell they are talking about, or they are just the voices in my head. Well, two of the Many voices in my head!-CC
    It probably is that particular juice. (Fruit flavors, and some bakery/dessert flavors, are especially delicate.)

    As Wishdog noted above, make sure your cartos are fully saturated -- I too use 3.0 ohm cartos, and find it necessary (because of the tighter fill packing) to use both a syringe and the "Taryn spin" method to adequately fill a new carto.

    As for high nic affecting juice flavors: 24mg is definitely a higher nic level, and you're probably getting "flavor interference" from the extra "burn" (trigeminal nerve stimulation) it provides -- a lot of people describe the flavor as "peppery" (yuk!).
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    Not only that, but I'm using VG.

    I do the spin even when refreshing my cartos. I tend to burn my cartos when I'm really involved in something. The burn taste creeps up on me, and by the time I realize I'm doing the analog equivalent of burning the filter, it's all over.

    Not a big deal, not like I do this daily or anything.

    In addition, if even a new carto is tasting that way, maybe they're getting burnt in the first session.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wokkerk View Post
    have you tried dripping your juices to see if it gives you a different flavor? I know that there are quite a few people who feel that the carto filler really alters the flavors of your juice. are the carto's you are using dual coil? If they aren't...just for testing purposes I would throw on a 3ohm atty on the same mod and drip some juices to see what that leaves you with.
    Hey, thanks for the input wok! It's funny you mentioned dripping, I have not nor do I own a decent atty. That is next on my list of things to buy and try! I am not using DC carto's cause they are not friendly with my mods setups. So, you are right, if I throw on a 3ohm atty it would be a great comparison to my 3ohm carto's! More and more I realize I need a decent atty! Any suggestions in that area without spending a fortune?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishdog View Post
    Maybe you're toasting your carto. Does it feel this way on a fresh carto?

    I use a standard 3.7 batt and 2.0 cartos currently and I only get burn when I'm dumb and just burn the carto. (Going to CE3's and tanks to rememdy this personal flaw. )
    Unfortunately, it does feel this way on a new super-saturated carto!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EleanorR View Post
    It probably is that particular juice. (Fruit flavors, and some bakery/dessert flavors, are especially delicate.)

    As Wishdog noted above, make sure your cartos are fully saturated -- I too use 3.0 ohm cartos, and find it necessary (because of the tighter fill packing) to use both a syringe and the "Taryn spin" method to adequately fill a new carto.

    As for high nic affecting juice flavors: 24mg is definitely a higher nic level, and you're probably getting "flavor interference" from the extra "burn" (trigeminal nerve stimulation) it provides -- a lot of people describe the flavor as "peppery" (yuk!).
    You may have hit the nail on the head with all of that. It's funny, because it has been more bakery flavors affected harder. And you are right, the "peppery" flavor in my cinnamon danish swirl isn't cool at all. Almost unvapeable! I think I for sure made my decision to move back to 18. However, two things with that. I am worried of losing that TH with a 50/50 mix. At the same time, I do not want to go to the next level my fav vendor will do which is 75/25 for worry of losing vapor production! Dang it, I really wish they would do like a 60/40 or something where I order from!

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