Received my Ruyan Titanium E-Cigar Today

[Kit]

u dont kit.. its a downside.. buy the twenty five if u like it.. buy more carts.. u can buy more than one pack.. it depends how they are offered on ebay.. look at the amount available..

trog

ps.. with express shipping they take a week to arrive.. it helps if u have pay pal account.. i have..

Im a bit but off now dude you said the batterys are packing up all ready and the atomizer how long will that last? before the whole cigar needs changing its built in so the whole device is buggered.
Im really but off, by no vapour on exhale unless you smoke it like a real cigar just touching the back of the throat i would like that
you might get vapour on the exhale but does the nic go in to your system from holding the vapour just in the mouth?Im sure you do if it can enter through your fingers lol
what about the one pillboxs sells looks like a copy of the ruyan,How long has the ruyan been out?
I dont know trog QUESTIONS QUESTIONS QUESTIONS

[Kit]

How you getting on with yours bishybob?

[bishybob]

I'm doing fine with mine. Trog's mostly right about the batteries. 360mah is crap. This is the same rating as the NJoy cigar batteries, and the Janty cigar batteries though. So you can either order them pretty cheap from Janty ($3.20 US from Janty or two for $6.95 from NJoy), or you can go to Deal Extreme and buy some with a higher rating. The two I have are starting to drain a liittle faster. Trog must be doing something crazy for his to last only a few hours. Even when I was using my Ruyan cigar full time to replace 20 a day I still got 6+ hours out of each battery, if not more.

Also Janty cigar carts and battery covers work on the Ruyan cigar which is cool.

Oh and I haven't seen any sites that sell them with 50 carts any more. About a week after I ordered mine all the websites that had that deal took it down. I got mine from www.ruyanhealth.com. When I emailed to ask them why they took it down they said the exchange rate is crap or something like that. You can find 50 cart packs on E-Bay for fairly cheap.

Now that I have my pen style I 'mostly' smoke this like a cigar. Just hold the vapor in my mouth. The taste is a little different that way too. I do get nicotine this way too. Not as much as inhaling it though for sure.

[trog100]

sorry kit.. i know the batteries dont last long.. i already have a stockpile..

DealExtreme: $4.32 Ultra Fire 10440 3.6V 500mAh 2Pack

a bought eight they are about a quid each with free shipping mine took a week to get here..

my two ruyan ones are now knackered and the ruyan has turned into a wimp if i try and still use em.. some ulrafires from my stockpile and they are going nicely..

only china could get away with selling such sh-t.. only china would ruin a good product with a sh-t cost nothing battery.. i cant fathom the dudes..

i tested a pair of ultrafires for four days with a cigarillo they held up well still givng four or five hours run time after the four days..

the pipe batteries being a much larger animal last for ages.. we have some thats being going for five weeks.. its the donkey on steroids versus the carthorse story again..

i have a real test for these batteries.. i load them with a 12 volts 21 watt car tail light bulb.. when new they power the bulb for ten minutes before going dim.. when knackered for ten seconds.. or anything in between during their short lifespan..

trog

ps.. i just tested my pair of ruyan ones.. the run time from fully charged was one hour fifty minutes before going flat.. but above all their ability to properly power the heater coil isnt there any more.. time for the bin.. the bulb test.. i never ran them down simply noted the bulb dosnt glow as brightly as when powered by my ultrafires..

[mocart]

i also have DX ultrafires 10440 but that 500mAh sticker is greatly overrated, i can find the testing somewhere on candlepowerforums (if you like) to proove how much are they for real. those batteries are commonly used for some led flashlights. When the voltage falls to 3,7v they are already half empty and the vapor is reduced. I think that ruyans and ultrafires are in the same ballpark when new, no matter what does the sticker say...

[trog100]

i also have DX ultrafires 10440 but that 500mAh sticker is greatly overrated, i can find the testing somewhere on candlepowerforums (if you like) to proove how much are they for real. those batteries are commonly used for some led flashlights. When the voltage falls to 3,7v they are already half empty and the vapor is reduced. I think that ruyans and ultrafires are in the same ballpark when new, no matter what does the sticker say...

mine say 600 ma.. the ruyan say 360.. i have eight ultrafires but only the two ruyans.. three of my ultrafires have failed after little use.. i have five left.. my two ruyans have been discarded in favour of my ultrafires

my first eight from e-cig china all died within the first week of using them..

the problem is the little batteries are being ask to deliver three times their rated capacity several hundred times a day.. every day.. its battery abuse..

testing their when new true capacity is easy.. take load of say 100 ma.. put it on the battery and see how long a fully charged one takes to run down.. if a 360 ma one manages three hours its okay..

i have never done this to these batteries but my ultrafire ones do a better job of powering my ruyan cigar than the ruyan ones do..

i start off with a new known good one.. check the smoke production and how much some strong puffs warm up the atomizer casing.. this is very noticeable with a good battery..

when a few strong test puffs no longer warms up the atomizer casing i know the battery power is falling off.. so is the smoke production.. again its very noticeable..

when the fall off happens noticeably sooner than it does with a known new good battery.. the battery gets my bulb test..

the bulb test is a simple one.. one 12 volt 21 watt car tail light bulb.. this draws around one amp at 3.6 volts.. roughly the same as an atomizer heater coil does..

if the bulb glows as it should and does so for at least one minute it passes my bulb test and goes back into service.... if not it goes in the bin.. at first i used to fully charge again to make sure.. but now i am so sure the ones i suspect are gonna fail i dont do the second check..

my testing methodology is pretty good.. i have no reason to doubt my results.. these things dont live long given all day and very day heavy use.. but they are cheap at dealextreme prices.. four dollars for a pair.. i hoped the ones supplied by ruyan might be better.. they are not.. cheap chinese batteries are cheap chinese batteries even if they do have the ruyan name on em..

how ruyan handle such a short product life i have no idea.. they perhaps hope their customers dont use the things much and wont bother with the two way postage to china..

trog

[mocart]

Here is the testing of AW10440 (rated 320mAh) and UltraFire10440 (rated 500mAh) at various current drain:

AW: current@350mA, calculated capacity=298mAh

AW: current@600mA, calculated capacity=231mAh
UltraFire: current@350mA, calculated capacity=284mAh

UltraFire: current@600mA, calculated capacity=231mAh



ps: sorry, i can't post imageshack links of graph pictures because I have less than 15 posts...

[trog100]

but 600 mah is quite high for a 300-ish ma type battery.. they say an ideal drain rate is 10% of rated capacity.. but these things are commonly used in flashlights which explains the high-sh drain rates..

to me taking any battery from a full charge to flat in half an isnt a fair test.. but it is the kind of use these things get.. the makers would use something more like the ideal 10% of rated capacity to arrive at their figures..

but i am 100% sure my ultrafires are better than my ruyans.. i would sooner believe my own tests than any figures i read.... i think we all would..

the ruyans seem to have 10450S written on them rated at 350 mah.. my e-cig pipes ones an odd 18350 at 960 mah.. a bit fatter than the more common 16340 880 rated protected ones i have.. both types seem well up to powering the pipe and last for a long time.. we have some now five weeks old that have been in regular daily use and are still going strong..

its a shame the ruyan cigar isnt a bit fatter and able to use AA sized 14500 lithiums at double the AAA size capacity.. but there seems something wrong with all these e smoking things.. he he

the new throw away ruyan cigar will have a nice none rechargeable AA sized lithium cell hidden away inside no doubt..

trog

[mocart]

If the atomizer draws 1A, as You said, then I believe that calculated capacity would be around 200mAh! The test was not performed with 1A current drain because it wouldn't be safe to draw higher than 2C continuously, which is maximum recommended for this type of battery.
As for those new 600mAh versions I don't know for sure, but it's obvious to figure it out that it's nowhere near 600!
If those are 200mAh @ 1A discharge, one quick calculation tells that it's good for around 200-250 3second puffs, and, I wouldn't consider last 50 puffs because voltage would be too low for acceptable amount of vapor.

Batteries don't bug me in this e-cigar cause I have 6 of 'em all fresh and waiting. The thing that occasionally bug me in this matter is associated with atomizer/cartridge.

At the end I think that those batteries are all pretty much the same, just different sticker outside...

[mocart]

Oh my, I must of blinded myself with nicotine cause now I can't see EDIT button anywhere.
I ment to say that I will order a few of those 600's from DX to try them out.

Btw, I haven't smoked real cig for two weeks now, and I was 20-30 cig a day smoker for 12 years. Thats some success, isn't it?
...nice to talk to You all!