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MacFan · 07-19-2008, 12:48 AM

The bottom line for me guys, is that although I would like to make some money, believe it or not, that its not the driving force behind me doing this.
Let me try to put it into perspective (and I know alot of you will relate to this!): I am 36 years old and started smoking when I was 20. I rather quickly got up to 2 packs per day and although it had not (yet) caused any physical ailment, I knew it was just a matter of time. And that's a pretty scary thought that consistently brought me down. What's more, I didn't feel there was any way that I would ever quit, so I had simply resigned myself to playing this game of Russian Roulette and I hope I don't lose. Pretty depressing, huh.
Well, when I very accidentally stumble upon e-smoking, I was seriously skeptical. I was convinced that there would be no way some little plastic cigarette-ish device would take away my cravings for those wonderful after-the-movie, after-dinner, after you-know-what, lovely little white sticks. So, imagine my utter astonishment when I convince myself to buy one and it actually works!! I was blown away! Standing there in my kitchen with what actually looked like smoke coming out of my mouth! Unbelievable. Well, you all know the story from there. So, this is a second chance for me and the fact that the second chance is heading my way at a relatively young age and in the form of something that I actually like better than cigarettes is amazing. Now, add to all of this the fact that I stumble on this forum and realize how many truly fantastic and genuine people there are here who want to share their own experiences with each other in an incredible welcoming and positive way, well it was simply the icing on the cake!
Well, that's my story

The final part comes from the fact that I can't stand the fact that anything would get in the way of me succeeding with this, like 2-month waits from China, or e-liquid that tastes like horse-pee. Nope, I'll make my own, thank you very much. And provide it to the people who are in this with me.

values84 · 07-19-2008, 01:19 AM

just for the record. tb likes kalua, i like cherry, my wife likes vanella .

dnakr · 07-19-2008, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by values84

just for the record. tb likes kalua, i like cherry, my wife likes vanella .

LOL

P/S: Don't forget coffee, mint, strawberry

windblown · 07-19-2008, 01:44 AM

And I'd like a "knock-your-socks-off" menthol.

MacFan · 07-19-2008, 01:52 AM

You got it!! Developing new recipes is going to be the fun part!

(and I've already thought about TB's Kahlua!)

jamie · 07-21-2008, 09:21 AM

TB and MacFan, I understand that it's probably safer than ciggies. So far as my question: How are the carcinogens removed? it sounds like that is too complicated for homebrewing - my interpretation of your replies.

Bob, you also said, essentially, that all our carts/liquids still contain tobacco carcinogens except Ruyan, as far as we know - do I understand that correctly? Doesn't this mean that the whole industry, except Ruyan products directly from Ruyan, is based on a lie, that we are only taking in nicotine and PG? And I've been repeating a lie to my family and friends? And propagating it here on the board to smokers who want to be off tobacco carcinogens? That matters to me a great deal.

MacFan, are you going to have your liquid tested (and disclose the results)? If you addressed this elsewhere, my apologies, and feel free to reply with a link. I've missed lots of threads.

TropicalBob · 07-21-2008, 02:11 PM

Too much about e-smoking remains A Great Unknown. But I can go to E-Cig's site https://e-cig.com/shopping/shopconte...certifications and read a list of all ingredients in their liquid. Ruyan's ingredients were listed as tested in New Zealand. I have no idea what ingredients are in Freesmoke.

That said, we're back to the accurate statement that logic tells us this is far safer than inhaling tobacco smoke. Tars in e-vapor, if present at all, would be miniscule compared to those in cigarette smoke. For anyone who hasn't read the initial report on e-smoking -- the only testing on this -- please read it and digest its contents: http://theruyanmedia.com/uploads/REC...rim_Report.pdf This interim report is very reassuring of our practice.

I've written before that much of what we are told in e-cig marketing materials is a lie. And I do think we have a problem with homebrew in not only unknown nicotine levels, but unknown levels of carcinogenic materials, and even purity of content. We brushed off one poster who asked about tars and I apologize for that. Several of us, as I recall, said tars were a byproduct of combustion so are not present in e-vapor. From my home experiments, I'm not so sure. They were present in my liquid and I bet we'd find some in E-Cig's (which are NOT the same as liquids tested in New Zealand). E-Cig uses at least four tobacco absolutes, which are fragrance oils extracted from tobacco and used as a perfume note by that industry.

Doesn't hurt that I happen to think Janty tastes best among cartridges, either, so I know what I'll buy when I weary of cooking tobacco!

trog100 · 07-21-2008, 03:42 PM

this might be off topic bob and its only my theory..

real smoke of any kind contains lots of solid particulates.. its these solid particulates that cause the problem..

vapour or steam dosnt carry the same solid particuates.. boiled water for example is distilled water when recondensed.. its pretty pure.. the junk stays in the kettle..

i think e vapour is like boiled water.. when re condensed in the lungs probably pure without the solid particulates which stay in the e cigs kettle..

i could be wrong.. but i think most of the possible e liquid contamination stays in the e cig kettle just like it would a real kettle..

trog

karenwest1961 · 07-21-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TropicalBob

Doesn't hurt that I happen to think Janty tastes best among cartridges, either, so I know what I'll buy when I weary of cooking tobacco!

Out of all the cartridges I've tried, I have to agree that Janty is by far the best.

Mamba · 07-21-2008, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

Too much about e-smoking remains A Great Unknown. But I can go to E-Cig's site https://e-cig.com/shopping/shopconte...certifications and read a list of all ingredients in their liquid. Ruyan's ingredients were listed as tested in New Zealand. I have no idea what ingredients are in Freesmoke.

That said, we're back to the accurate statement that logic tells us this is far safer than inhaling tobacco smoke. Tars in e-vapor, if present at all, would be miniscule compared to those in cigarette smoke. For anyone who hasn't read the initial report on e-smoking -- the only testing on this -- please read it and digest its contents: http://theruyanmedia.com/uploads/REC...rim_Report.pdf This interim report is very reassuring of our practice.

I don't know, TB. Some days I can make a logical argument like you have just done and some days my outlook is not so rosy. The lists of ingredients I've seen are not that reassuring and all of the liquid (including the carts) is apparently made in China which also doesn't reassure me that it is of the highest quality and/or that it may not have the actual stated ingredients.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't been able to find that Ruyan is continuing to test their liquid and guarantee that it is pharmaceutical grade and manufactured under GMP (Good Manufacturing Practice) guidelines. No manufacturer seems to assure this. I won't take nutritional supplements that are not pharmaceutical grade and GMP. Why would I inhale something of lesser quality? In fact, I'm starting to think were all a bit insane to be purchasing and using these products with no assurance of quality from the manufacturers. We should all demand assurances of quality clearly stated on their sites or refuse to buy their products.

I truly want to believe that e-smoking is safer than tobacco smoking but I'm not sure I can agree that it is logical that it is safer. We simply don't know. The manufacturers keep stating PG is safe but there is scant evidence for inhalation (animal only, that I know of) and no long-term studies that I'm aware of. The only information on long-term inhalation exposure to PG is from second-hand exposure in the entertainment industry and it might possibly have some notable side-effects. Some individuals have noted a significant decrease in lung capacity.

Performers say chemicals in synthetic mists on stage are health risk

07-19-2008, 01:19 AM	#52
values84 Full Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: panama city beach fl. Posts: 41	flavours just for the record. tb likes kalua, i like cherry, my wife likes vanella .

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07-19-2008, 12:48 AM	#51
MacFan Supplier Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 186	The bottom line for me guys, is that although I would like to make some money, believe it or not, that its not the driving force behind me doing this. Let me try to put it into perspective (and I know alot of you will relate to this!): I am 36 years old and started smoking when I was 20. I rather quickly got up to 2 packs per day and although it had not (yet) caused any physical ailment, I knew it was just a matter of time. And that's a pretty scary thought that consistently brought me down. What's more, I didn't feel there was any way that I would ever quit, so I had simply resigned myself to playing this game of Russian Roulette and I hope I don't lose. Pretty depressing, huh. Well, when I very accidentally stumble upon e-smoking, I was seriously skeptical. I was convinced that there would be no way some little plastic cigarette-ish device would take away my cravings for those wonderful after-the-movie, after-dinner, after you-know-what, lovely little white sticks. So, imagine my utter astonishment when I convince myself to buy one and it actually works!! I was blown away! Standing there in my kitchen with what actually looked like smoke coming out of my mouth! Unbelievable. Well, you all know the story from there. So, this is a second chance for me and the fact that the second chance is heading my way at a relatively young age and in the form of something that I actually like better than cigarettes is amazing. Now, add to all of this the fact that I stumble on this forum and realize how many truly fantastic and genuine people there are here who want to share their own experiences with each other in an incredible welcoming and positive way, well it was simply the icing on the cake! Well, that's my story The final part comes from the fact that I can't stand the fact that anything would get in the way of me succeeding with this, like 2-month waits from China, or e-liquid that tastes like horse-pee. Nope, I'll make my own, thank you very much. And provide it to the people who are in this with me.

07-19-2008, 01:44 AM	#54
windblown Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: USA Posts: 203	And I'd like a "knock-your-socks-off" menthol.

07-19-2008, 01:52 AM	#55
MacFan Supplier Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 186	You got it!! Developing new recipes is going to be the fun part! (and I've already thought about TB's Kahlua!)

07-21-2008, 09:21 AM	#56
jamie Super Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USA Posts: 345	TB and MacFan, I understand that it's probably safer than ciggies. So far as my question: How are the carcinogens removed? it sounds like that is too complicated for homebrewing - my interpretation of your replies. Bob, you also said, essentially, that all our carts/liquids still contain tobacco carcinogens except Ruyan, as far as we know - do I understand that correctly? Doesn't this mean that the whole industry, except Ruyan products directly from Ruyan, is based on a lie, that we are only taking in nicotine and PG? And I've been repeating a lie to my family and friends? And propagating it here on the board to smokers who want to be off tobacco carcinogens? That matters to me a great deal. MacFan, are you going to have your liquid tested (and disclose the results)? If you addressed this elsewhere, my apologies, and feel free to reply with a link. I've missed lots of threads.

07-21-2008, 02:11 PM	#57
TropicalBob Super Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Charlotte, FL USA Posts: 2,899	Too much about e-smoking remains A Great Unknown. But I can go to E-Cig's site https://e-cig.com/shopping/shopconte...certifications and read a list of all ingredients in their liquid. Ruyan's ingredients were listed as tested in New Zealand. I have no idea what ingredients are in Freesmoke. That said, we're back to the accurate statement that logic tells us this is far safer than inhaling tobacco smoke. Tars in e-vapor, if present at all, would be miniscule compared to those in cigarette smoke. For anyone who hasn't read the initial report on e-smoking -- the only testing on this -- please read it and digest its contents: http://theruyanmedia.com/uploads/REC...rim_Report.pdf This interim report is very reassuring of our practice. I've written before that much of what we are told in e-cig marketing materials is a lie. And I do think we have a problem with homebrew in not only unknown nicotine levels, but unknown levels of carcinogenic materials, and even purity of content. We brushed off one poster who asked about tars and I apologize for that. Several of us, as I recall, said tars were a byproduct of combustion so are not present in e-vapor. From my home experiments, I'm not so sure. They were present in my liquid and I bet we'd find some in E-Cig's (which are NOT the same as liquids tested in New Zealand). E-Cig uses at least four tobacco absolutes, which are fragrance oils extracted from tobacco and used as a perfume note by that industry. Doesn't hurt that I happen to think Janty tastes best among cartridges, either, so I know what I'll buy when I weary of cooking tobacco!

07-21-2008, 03:42 PM	#58
trog100 Manufacturer Join Date: May 2008 Location: UK Posts: 2,340	this might be off topic bob and its only my theory.. real smoke of any kind contains lots of solid particulates.. its these solid particulates that cause the problem.. vapour or steam dosnt carry the same solid particuates.. boiled water for example is distilled water when recondensed.. its pretty pure.. the junk stays in the kettle.. i think e vapour is like boiled water.. when re condensed in the lungs probably pure without the solid particulates which stay in the e cigs kettle.. i could be wrong.. but i think most of the possible e liquid contamination stays in the e cig kettle just like it would a real kettle.. trog