Eliquid approval

[QueenInNC]

Very good idea! I offer to help in any way I can.

Me too, Kate!

[franklyspeaking]

What do you think is the best way to approach manufacturers once we have an idea of what we are proposing? Traders who deal with and already have a relationship with particular makers might be a good introduction ... or should RtV approach the manufacturers cold and try to build a relationship from scratch?

I think a field of dreams approach is probably a sound one. If you build it they will come... If we could build a categorized site that we could point these manufacturers to then I think the perceived value would be high and worth their effort.

The testing I think is the big question. What parameters are there for eliquid testing?!?!?!? I don't have the foggiest...

[SABOTEUR]

A website where both the hardware and juice are unbiasedly reviewed and rated on a thorough scale...a site that offered a comprehensive breakdown of models and offered quality reviews with some production value behind them would mean something. A super e-cig wikapedia of sorts...

Kind of like Consumer Reports, huh?

I like it!

[Zendruid]

Definitely sounds like a good idea. I'll happily give this post a supportive bump!

[Kate]

Consumer reports would be very handy. Get yourselves over to Right to Vape and see if there's a way to set something up

Thanks for the support on eliquid testing.

Would you be more likely to want to buy eliquid that has a RtV approval mark do you think?

[RhinoOne]

Would you be more likely to want to buy eliquid that has a RtV approval mark do you think?

I would! Maybe a Poll on this, Kate?

[Smokingfreely]

I understand why you'd want the test - how do you know if an ingredient list from across the globe is really accurate, but I think you're hoping for too much with this. For one, without a certain level of quality control, random sampling is just that - totally random, and not indicative of any generalized conditions.

There could be excellent quality control in these, and I'm not suggesting otherwise, but this test wouldn't show that. When the FDA checks out a facility, they give a thorough inspection of the facility and their processes - this in conjuction with random sampling means something, because they have proven that they have a system in place to guarantee consistency, so yesterday's batch is fairly certain to match todays.

How are you viewing this stamp of approval - as an interesting sidenote that a vendor can use as a marketing tool (ie. certified organic,) or is it your intention to try to blacklist vendors that haven't paid you for your stamp?

[Kate]

That's a good idea Rhino, I'll think about adding a poll to this thread.

I'm afraid that there's only so much checking we could do Freely and the most practical way for consumers to encourage good practice and double checking seems to be random anonymous tests of voluntarily registered products. Proper testing of facilities, batch testing, etc would fall more under a statutory system of checks that's put in place due to legal regulation.

There have been no proposals for a blacklist although a list of registered products may be published.

[Heed]

There's a thread at RtV about where different manufacturers are based. Some are in China, some in Europe and JC is in North America. Hopefully we will be able to approach all of them when we have worked out some proposals.

That's all fine and dandy, but many retailers will buy in bulk from these manufacturers and then decant the liquid themselves or decant and also add ingredients/cut the liquid.

It then becomes a different product that has been exposed to different conditions/ingredients.

Unless you plan to test from every retail point there could be some fairly confusing situations:

Retailer "X" says his liquid is from an approved factory and displays an "approved sticker" when in reality he has taken that approved product and tampered with it in his garden shed or garage to the point that testing might reveal quite different results.

[OutWest]

The flip side of that, though, is that there should be some sort of passthru certification, otherwise every retailer has to get a sample of each batch tested. For me, that means 1 out of every 24 bottles would have to be tested (I currently buy each flavor/strength in a lot of 24 - 24 bottles of caramel 36mg, 24 bottles of caramel 24mg, etc). While I have no idea what testing would cost, let's say it's $400. That would make the cost of 23 bottles increase by $400, which in turn would mean a $17.39 per bottle price hike (and that's not figuring in the cost of the one bottle that was submitted to the lab)