the real reason we are having problems with our e cigs

[trog100]

Originally Posted by chesney

In order to e-smoke constantly and replace cigarettes you just need to have enough atomisers and batteries around you, and refills of course.

I have entirely switched from smoking 40 a day to electronic cigarette. My original atomiser still works fine. They need regular cleaning out, an easy way is to draw on the atomiser without a refill connected or with a blank refill, this helps atomise the liquid left in the unit without adding more.

Most common atomiser problem is just that its bunged up with liquid. Just disconnect is and blow back through where the refill connects and the liquid flows out.

Plus if you need a new atomise it costs only £6.99 online anyway. Mine have lasted months and considering I'm saving £40 per week by using it I sure can afford a few replacement atomisers, batteries etc. If I can buy an entirely new starter kit for £19.99, I could still buy one a week and save £20 per week plus I'm not killing myself anymore which is the best bonus!

odd how my three family members between them have been thru in the last three months.. twelve 901 atomizers.. i have been thru 7 cigarillo atomizers and one pipe atomizer plus some 901s the other two have gotten thru five pipe atomizers plus some of the 901s..

quite a toll in atomizers all in.. my count is about 24 in all.. every trick in the book as been tryied to keep them going.. we now think two weeks working as new (when in full daily use) is par for the course.

these are the ones that did work well at first.. the wimp designs havnt been counted.. they are all still in perfect condition for the simple reason they have never been used.. ..


my conclusion is the basic hot wire design heater coil designis only good for several thousand puffs.. after this it fails to deliver the goods.. several thousand puffs isnt long in the life of a heavy use e cig..

if the makers wish to tell me otherwise i am happy for them to do this.. as has just been said they can be cheap but then again they can be exorbitantly expensive.. it depends who sells them to us..

how many puffs per atomizer or mean puffs between failure is all they have to tell us.. we can work the rest out for ourselves..

by failure i mean produce less than 75% of the when new smoke producing abilities.. keeping terminal cases alive on life support is no good to me.. most of ours never reach the total failure point.. they are simply sent to the rest home (retired) because they are no longer fit for work..

trog

[chesney]

I have the minicig type, picture at javaelectronics.com. They seem to last so far and replacement is really cheap anyway and so if it breaks just replace it.

Its not really an issue for me how many puffs I suppose I could try counting how many puffs but that seems a little tedious

I'll order some back ups I think just in case!

[trog100]

i would like the makers to tell us how long the devices they sell us should be expected to last.. i know how long mine have lasted.. i know how many failures are reported by forum uses who dont buy cheap brands..

i think these things are in essence being mis-sold.. some of the guarantees imply a long life.. i am sure the makers know the relevant information as regards the expected atomizer life.. i am pretty sure some of the sellers dont.. it seems most expect the things to last a reasonable time.. months at least.. my experience says otherwise..

i treat them as a disposable item.. most users dont.. the problem is "type of use".. are the products suitable for a 30 a day man to completely replace his tobacco habit or are they not.. at the price some of these devices are sold at at a trouble free life time in months should be expected.. sadly for the average user this does not seem the case..

trog

[DeviLFisH]

for my case here I treat it as another alternative to smoke !

yup guess my frd bro guess correct

before I wanna try e cigarette , my frd bro happen hoilday in china and happen to see one newsreport on tv ,
claiming e cigarette might make u smoke more..

so put in another words it may make u more addicted to smoke ..but in term of e smoking here.

next there is many cart refill out there..who knows some put "special extra stuffs inside to make us more addicted to e cigarette thus everytime u have to order that "particular liquid from the same supplier"

and thus we tend to smoke more..and so do the atomiser will age very fast

I don;t give high hope my classic penstyle will last..

even those branded ones..
because overall is still an electonice device ..

small tiny electonice device tend to break down more easily ....

next about production here.....china QC and production simply suck..

but also no choice here cos their labour is cheap there..just take example the plasma tv , lcd tv u own , or other electronics stuffs..mostly is made in china..even clothings....

if japan come out e cigarette ...I CAN assume it will last better and longer their QC and production is traditional good ...

[trog100]

chinese quality control dosnt suck period fish.. they can make good stuff.. at least i hope so cos most of the worlds goods are now made there.. if they can make the motherboard for my PC i am sure they can manage a bloody simple device like an e cig.. its not electronic either.. just a battery powering a crude cost nothing piece of resistor wire heater coil..

trog

[DeviLFisH]

Originally Posted by trog100

chinese quality control dosnt suck period fish.. they can make good stuff.. at least i hope so cos most of the worlds goods are now made there.. if they can make the motherboard for my PC i am sure they can manage a bloody simple device like an e cig.. its not electronic either.. just a battery powering a crude cost nothing piece of resistor wire heater coil..

trog

trog I from asia here
don;t mistaken

for ur info chinese who make the motherboard of the pc is from taiwan ..
is not from china..yup althought is all chinese there.

[trog100]

fish.. pretty near everyone said the same thing about japan thirty years ago.. u are probably to young to know.. cheap Japanese crap.. china is coming on line fast.. just like japan did in times gone by..

but the issue here isnt about quality control its about the hotwire technology used in these devices.. its good for so many thousand puffs and thats it.. i am trying to get the makers to say exactly how many thousand puffs.. so dont confuse the issue with other things please..

trog

ps.. but i do take your point about Taiwan..

[DeviLFisH]

Originally Posted by trog100

fish.. pretty near everyone said the same thing about japan thirty years ago.. u are probably to young to know.. cheap Japanese crap.. china is coming on line fast.. just like japan did in times gone by..

but the issue here isnt about quality control its about the hotwire technology used in these devices.. its good for so many thousand puffs and thats it.. i am trying to get the makers to say exactly how many thousand puffs.. so dont confuse the issue with other things please..

trog

ps.. but i do take your point about Taiwan..

alot of europe floks get mis up about chinese in asia..
example china/taiwan and hk they thought all from china

BUT U never mistaken too either
actually fact , actually taiwan and hk is under china also just that taiwan is independent ..they don;t want to let china control them.
whereas HK in 1997 is under china rule

I don;t know the history of them ..feel abit shame here cos I am chinese .
for what I know , there is this rule hk in 1997 hk gov have to surrender the goverment of this country to china.

and guess what here in singapore soon will be like china and seem like!
alot of FT from china come to sg to work some even settle down here.



back to topic , I don;t give high hope on e cigarette device cos overall is an eletronice device bound to break down just don;t know when sometime u take great care of it , it will spoil..sometime don;t care ..drop it ect..it suprising last longer..that is interesting in electronics..and I do study electronics last time.. presently I just smoke for fun ..cos I love smoking ...! I even smoke real cigarettes! just that my intake of smoking is increasing ....due to the fact e cigarette can smoke anywhere even in sneak mode in cinema where cinema cannot smoke..

just that now I smoke more on e smoke....
Now I feel kinda frustrated about the cart problem have to top up regular...scare opps one day I run out of cart not choice smoke more back on real cigarette...


somemore I cannot bring in e liquid in my country ! is ban confirm cannot go through customs

and ya

[karenwest1961]

Originally Posted by trog100

but 95% of the time i am right.

Okay, let's agree to disagree on this one.

But yeah, I would like to know what an e-cigarette definition of "normal use" is considered to be.

[trog100]

hello karen.. everyone (or most) knock e-cig.com.. but so far they are the only ones to have made any attempt to answer my question.. i said i know u test all the products u send out to make sure they work but do u test for how long they will continue to work..

they said they have to ask their engineer.. this in essence says they dont test for how long and in short have little idea.. the engineer has had one (e pipe) for a year and they think on average three to four months in normal use..

here we have it.. what does "normal use mean".. we dont know.. but it was at least a part answer.. they never played the ignore the question game like the big names are doing..

i know how long certain e-cig products last my family members.. we are 30 a day type users...

cigarillo... eight tested.. average good smoke production as new life span.. on average no more than three days.. amazingly short..

pipe.. six tested average very good as new smoke production life span.. on average two weeks.. not as short as the cigarillos but again not very long..

generic 901 type not from e-cig china.. 14 tested average very good as new smoke production life span.. on average two weeks.. not as short as the cigarillos but again not very long

classic usb device.. one tested.. life span two weeks.. cheap wire flexing and bending where it leaves the end of the device killed it.. not atomizer failure.. bad design but a very common fault.. too few strands of copper wire in the cable plus no stress relief where it leaves the device..

then we have the buy cheap crap and what do u expect argument.. this would be the second line of defense from the big names.. buy ours and they will last longer..

do i believe this.. in short no i dont.. not unless they tell me exactly how much longer and exactly why..

the e-cig pipes are not poorly made devices.. they are well made devices.. so why the short life with heavy usage..

i think its down to the hot wire technolgy only being good for so many thousand puffs factor..

the e-pipe is a copy of the ruyan pipe.. the design is very very bad.. it simply needs a cheap four dollar plug in replacement atomizer and then for those who dont mind the size and looks of a pipe it would be the perfect last all day e smoking device..

if it goes wrong send it back and we will replace it is another trick answer.. the reply should be "and on average how often will i have to do that"...

and karen.. when i say the big names wont publicly answer my question.. its an attempt to provoke them into doing so.. they might fall for it but i doubt it.. he he he

it must be noted i dont or wont piss about blowing smoke rings at a camera then pass judgment on the device.. i havnt tested every device.. money and the time span needed make this impossible.. i have tested enough and read enough to be reasonably sure of my conclusions thow.. which is.. hot wire atomizers will not live very long given heavy usage..

trog