the real reason we are having problems with our e cigs

[trog100]

Originally Posted by markab

YIKES! You and your family have tested (gone through) 29 e-smoke devices and still haven't had one last you more than 30 days!!! Man thats some bad luck. On a brighter note you may want to try a Sedansa. I've been on my ORIGINAL atomizer from them for SEVEN MONTHS, and it works as well now as it did on day 1, which includes third party carts and dripping. And on top of that I've only had to clean it once. I'm not a 30 smokes/day smoker but I am (was) a 20 smokes/day smoker.

Regards,
Mark

in short makab i do not believe you.. are u a sedansa plant.. ???

trog

[markab]

Originally Posted by trog100

hello karen.. everyone (or most) knock e-cig.com.. but so far they are the only ones to have made any attempt to answer my question.. i said i know u test all the products u send out to make sure they work but do u test for how long they will continue to work..

they said they have to ask their engineer.. this in essence says they dont test for how long and in short have little idea.. the engineer has had one (e pipe) for a year and they think on average three to four months in normal use..

here we have it.. what does "normal use mean".. we dont know.. but it was at least a part answer.. they never played the ignore the question game like the big names are doing..

i know how long certain e-cig products last my family members.. we are 30 a day type users...

cigarillo... eight tested.. average good smoke production as new life span.. on average no more than three days.. amazingly short..

pipe.. six tested average very good as new smoke production life span.. on average two weeks.. not as short as the cigarillos but again not very long..

generic 901 type not from e-cig china.. 14 tested average very good as new smoke production life span.. on average two weeks.. not as short as the cigarillos but again not very long

classic usb device.. one tested.. life span two weeks.. cheap wire flexing and bending where it leaves the end of the device killed it.. not atomizer failure.. bad design but a very common fault.. too few strands of copper wire in the cable plus no stress relief where it leaves the device..

then we have the buy cheap crap and what do u expect argument.. this would be the second line of defense from the big names.. buy ours and they will last longer..

do i believe this.. in short no i dont.. not unless they tell me exactly how much longer and exactly why..

the e-cig pipes are not poorly made devices.. they are well made devices.. so why the short life with heavy usage..

i think its down to the hot wire technolgy only being good for so many thousand puffs factor..

the e-pipe is a copy of the ruyan pipe.. the design is very very bad.. it simply needs a cheap four dollar plug in replacement atomizer and then for those who dont mind the size and looks of a pipe it would be the perfect last all day e smoking device..

if it goes wrong send it back and we will replace it is another trick answer.. the reply should be "and on average how often will i have to do that"...

and karen.. when i say the big names wont publicly answer my question.. its an attempt to provoke them into doing so.. they might fall for it but i doubt it.. he he he

it must be noted i dont or wont piss about blowing smoke rings at a camera then pass judgment on the device.. i havnt tested every device.. money and the time span needed make this impossible.. i have tested enough and read enough to be reasonably sure of my conclusions thow.. which is.. hot wire atomizers will not live very long given heavy usage..

trog

Originally Posted by trog100

in short makab i do not believe you.. are u a sedansa plant.. ???

trog

Ahhh, no. I was trying to be helpful. Prehaps it should be some of us who should be skeptical of you?

Mark

[trog100]

some of "us" are very skeptical of me mark... very skeptical indeed.. dont worry too much on that score..

and the only people u are trying to help is sedansa.. clever try thow..

trog

[markab]

Hmmm, lets see what what we have here. You claim after trying 29 e-smoking devices that none of them have lasted more than a month. In an effort to help I suggest, from experience, that you try a Sadansa which I've had great success with, to which you reply by calling me a liar. Rest assured that I will not offer to help you again.

Regards,
Mark

Originally Posted by trog100

some of "us" are very skeptical of me mark... very skeptical indeed.. dont worry too much on that score..

and the only people u are trying to help is sedansa.. clever try thow..

trog

[trog100]

Originally Posted by markab

Hmmm, lets see what what we have here. You claim after trying 29 e-smoking devices that none of them have lasted more than a month. In an effort to help I suggest, from experience, that you try a Sadansa which I've had great success with, to which you reply by calling me a liar. Rest assured that I will not offer to help you again.

Regards,
Mark

i dont do such things lightly.. i rest assured u wont..

trog

[Kit]

Originally Posted by trog100

i dont do such things lightly.. i rest assured u wont..

trog

trogs right dude i'm afraid you might have had your sedanas for over 7 months but it will be a wimp compared to a new one,beleive trog he knows what hes talking about,dont take things he says the wrong way read his signature, its just his character

[phylo]

I will second Kit on his trog comment... In spite of our rough introduction (I got my panties a little bunched up over one of his replies to a comment I made on another post) I have come to value his opinion and can see that he has contributed quite a bit to this forum.

Phil
Wow sleep deprivation is fun, Its time for bed.

[markab]

Hi Kit,
One month after buying my Sedansa, and seeing how well it stood up, I ordered 2 extra atomizers fearing that my government might crack down on e-smoking devices. Approx. two months after that I noticed after placing a freshly charged battery and a new cart. on my e-cigarette that I was getting very little vapor. I figured at that time that my atomizer had probably bit the dust and switched it over to one of my new ones. To my surprise (horror) It was no better. I then swapped out the battery for another charged one and thankfully me e-cigarette came back to life. At that time, out of curiosity, I did a comparison between my original atomizer and one of my back-ups. There was no perceivable difference in vapor density or operation. If I did the comparison again today I'm confident I'd get the same results.
When I saw that Trog had gone through 29 e-smoking devices with such dismal results I told him my story and he labeled me as a liar and a Sadansa plant. I guess if someones experience doesn't match his own it can't possibly be true.

Regards,
Mark

Originally Posted by Kit

trogs right dude i'm afraid you might have had your sedanas for over 7 months but it will be a wimp compared to a new one,beleive trog he knows what hes talking about,dont take things he says the wrong way read his signature, its just his character

[trog100]

this can go on for ever cant it.. i do not believe there is an e cig on this planet that after seven months of 20 a day type use will still be performing like new..

but this is a polite place.. people can pretty much invent and say anything without fear of being called out on it.. a shills paradise in fact..

forum members can make their own judgment and i am sure they will..

this thread is still alive for one purpose.. the makers to tell us how long we should expect these thing to deliver as new performance..

how many ml of liquid can they process before a significant performance drop off happens.. both in the atomizer and the battery..

so far there has been no statement of any kind from them.. their silence tells its own story..

they dare not tell us how long these thing will last..

surely u realized (of course u did) i am not requesting help.. simply trying to get the makers to answer a simple question.. so far they have failed..

trog

[FrankeeGEe]

"In the case of any person whose judgment is really deserving of confidence, how has it become so? Because he has kept his mind open to criticism of his opinions and conduct. Because it has been his practice to listen to all that could be said against him; to profit by as much of it as was just, and expound to himself, and upon occasion to others, the fallacy of what was fallacious. Because he has felt, that the only way in which a human being can make some approach to knowing the whole of a subject, is by hearing what can be said about it by persons of every variety of opinion, and studying all modes in which it can be looked at by every character of mind. No wise man ever acquired his wisdom in any mode but this; nor is it in the nature of human intellect to become wise in any other manner. The steady habit of correcting and completing his own opinion by collating it with those of others, so far from causing doubt and hesitation in carrying it into practice, is the only stable foundation for a just reliance on it: for, being cognizant of all that can, at least obviously, be said against him, and having taken up his position against all gainsayers—knowing that he has sought for objections and difficulties, instead of avoiding them, and has shut out no light which can be thrown upon the subject from any quarter—he has a right to think his judgment better than that of any person, or any multitude, who have not gone through a similar process." - John Stuart Mill

I was looking for information on the new mini from e-cig.com and stumbled across this. Thought I'd give it a read. I thought it was interesting that your constant disappointment in products you have tried led you to deny the possibility that someone might have experienced satisfaction. And, since you obviously go through such a vast array of other products it's funny that you would have no interest in trying something that might work better. You can call it tongue in cheek but completely denying truth other than your own is just plain ignorance. Your character might be generally be respectable but you don't do yourself justice when you make statements like that.

Check yo'self before you wreck yo'self!