Wheres the hit gone!

[TropicalBob]

Kit, it's possible your throat has adapted to e-smoke. You probably adapted to harsh tobacco smoke over regular exposure, and you're doing the same with e-vapors. Here's what I don't understand: Why would anyone want a harsh feeling? Seems to me that all cigarette advancement was to a less harsh, smooth tasting smoke. My history with pipe tobacco has been a (successful) search for tobaccos that have no burn, no bite, but high nicotine. Same with cigars -- no harshness, great taste and mouth feel.

I'm doing my best to find the smoothest e-liquid I can use. My perfect liquid will produce quantities of vapor, have a great initial taste, a fine aftertaste, and no harshness at all.

I read many here who say they want harshness (equals cough!) and that's just not on my list. But it's the same with snusers. They want "the burn" that hurts to the point that your eyes water. Why? I'd never use such a snus again. To each his own. That's why there are so many brands ...

[trog100]

i have some 901 batteries three months old.. my originals.. without doubt these batteries are what i call the "donkeys on steroids" type.. in short due to the need to keep them so small they have a short cycle life..

think of it like fitting a battery thats way to small to your car.. it will do the job at first but soon die of over work.. the "donkey on steroids" type.. fit a much bigger one than average and it will live for ever.. the "cart horse" type..

when new they do the job they have to do.. after a months use a pair of them has lost 75% of their original capacity.. the run time drops from the original five hours to an hour at the most.. the amount of current they can deliver also drops off..

with mine they have to be constantly charged and recharged or swopped evey hour at the most.. i find it odd u can still use yours all day.. ???

subjectively plays big part with these things.. without having a brand new fully working part to compare doubfull parts with its all too easy to kid yourself the thing u are using is going okay.. the drop off is slow and you adjust to it..

the only way to know is to swop out the parts with new ones or keep a brand new device just for comparison purposes or two of them cos u cant lways trust just the one.. he he he

it is possible to lose the plot with over dosing.. with real cigs u know how many u have used.. with these things u have no bloody idea what your nic intake is they are so erratic.. i need to see tons of smoke to be sure mine is working.. if i dont i lose the plot.. the bodies reaction is to get numb to the whole process.. its part in the mind and part the throat and system desensitizing..

imagine useing a real cig that comes with varying nicotine content.. some with zero some with high and any old thing in between.. imagine u cant tell the difference in any other way than how your body reacts to each one.. imagine f-cking frustration.. imagine an e cig.. he he

these things aint quite there yet.. !!

trog

[Kit]

Nice one mate going to try brand new battery and atomizer against the one im using now will post back tonight and tell you how ive got on

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

I've never had a battery last five hours, even when brand new. I use the Trog-o-meter scale as his use pattern looks like mine.

As far as the bite goes, this is beginning to concern me more. I consider this to be the least replicable aspect of e-smoking. Bob makes a good point about why anyone would want the back-throat bite, given all the efforts of Big T to smooth the taste experience over the years.

But the mind is a monkey. I tend to look for differences in a replicated experience to judge how real it is, not similarities. It's like I'm trying to find a single element that will allow me to rubbish the whole concept. Authentic bite would be another tick in the box for how 'real' this experience is and I have no doubt these tactile and visual elements are a huge part of the reason many of us have been able to forswear real cigarettes entirely. (There's no earthly use in a glowing tip on a fake fag, for instance, but it lends authenticity).

We've had a lot of conversation about how e-cigs are lacking in back-throat bite and I'm sure forums like this are mined for market research purposes by the manufacturers. How long before some bright spark at the production end says 'They want bite? No problem. Just toss some ammonia into the mix.' Again, Bob posted an eye-opener about asbestos filters on Kents (Miracle Micronite, right Bob?). We still have no idea what's in the vast quantity of e-liquid.

I can't tell you how glad I am that Mac has started making smoke juice.

Emp

[Kit]

you get a nice bite of your e-cig all the time emp which one do you use ?

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Hiya Kit

No, I wouldn't say that. In fact, bite is the least cigarette-like element of e-smoking for me. (I see my post is a bit misleading - I'll edit). The closest I come is some of the menthol flavours. Janty's mint flavour for my KB Classic definitely hornswoggles my hooter into thinking it's had a real cig hit - gets right up into my nose. Simon's minty menthol landed the other day but I haven't tried it yet - got high hopes for it.

Emp

[Kit]

Originally Posted by TheEmperorOfIceCream

Hiya Kit

No, I wouldn't say that. In fact, bite is the least cigarette-like element of e-smoking for me. (I see my post is a bit misleading - I'll edit). The closest I come is some of the menthol flavours. Janty's mint flavour for my KB Classic definitely hornswoggles my hooter into thinking it's had a real cig hit - gets right up into my nose. Simon's minty menthol landed the other day but I haven't tried it yet - got high hopes for it.

Emp

Not really in to menthol mate it a girls smoke lol
But the vanilla from Si is a good smoke and a nice throat hit, and taste you tried it ?

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Originally Posted by kit123

Not really in to menthol mate it a girls smoke lol
But the vanilla from Si is a good smoke and a nice throat hit, and taste you tried it ?

They used to say that about lager! I've tried Simon's vanilla in carts. Pretty good, but it didn't leave me panting for more. Good cocktail flavour, I'd say.

I'm not huge on menthol - when I was hot-smoking I used to do them when I had a sore throat only. But these days I'll smoke anything (cherry fags? Bring 'em on). That Bickfords bubble-gum flavour could end up as my number one hit...

[trog100]

one thing i am aware of but try and put to the back of my mind is.. is the claimed nic content real.. my nightmare is whta would happen if i get some week liquid by mistake.. he he he

but ultimately the bottom line is.. do i need the odd real cig to top up.. if i feel the need the device isnt working if i dont feel the need.. it is working..

one need i have that e cigs cant satisfy is a simple one.. i cant simply walk around hands free with one hanging out of my mouth.. e smoking needs hands.. i like to have mine free to do better things with than hold a bloody e cig.. i cant and see no way i will be able to..

no real problem at home or driving but a major one while doing anything like taking pics.. fishing.. fixing things.. working with my hands free i cant do.. i find it a bit like being crippled having to stop what i am doing to suck an e cig..

while out and about the devices fail me for this simple reason.. it needs hands to e smoke..

one in a pouch hanging around the neck helps.. but it still needs hands to use it... he he he

trog

[Kit]

Originally Posted by trog100

one thing i am aware of but try and put to the back of my mind is.. is the claimed nic content real.. my nightmare is whta would happen if i get some week liquid by mistake.. he he he

but ultimately the bottom line is.. do i need the odd real cig to top up.. if i feel the need the device isnt working if i dont feel the need it is working..

one need i have that e gic cant satisfy is a simple one.. i cant simply walk around hands free with one hanging out of my mouth.. e smoking needs hands.. i like to have mine free to do better thing with than hold a bloody e cig.. i cant and see no way i will be able to..

no real poblem at home or driving but a major one while doing anything like taking pics.. fishing.. fixing things.. working with my hands free i cant do.. i find it a bit like being crippled haveing to stop what i am doing to suck an e cig..

trog

I know what your saying trog i have been needing the odd cig because my dse901 wasn't satisfying anymore,
the odd cig went to 10 pack to 20 pack in the last week,i was going back to my old ways,but today i have but a fresh battery on and it seems to be holding me off cigarettes better,my 2 original batts have lasted me 3 months and about 10 hours a day so i thought they were still OK but i was wrong obviously big style !