Warning: Johnson creek e-liquid

[MagusSteele]

Not trying to start anything, really, with all due Respect,
but I am curious, what do you use in your e-cigs now? and did they show you all, or any of the information you asked for from Mac?
Being cautious I can fully understand, thats what this forum is here for, so we can exchange information on these products, since they are so new.

Edit* Kate posted while I was typing, I will read that. The asked for documents, I would read, but just didnt think was neccesary.

[Kate]

Ludo and Pillbox posted a list of ingredients in their juice here - Ingredients in cartridges or E-liquid

Pillbox also posted a lab report.

[Kit]

magnus i dont think its asking to much..dont you want to know what your inhaling.. if its clogging atomizers who knows what its doing to your lungs.

[karenwest1961]

MacFan said this -

"The results from our tests literally list all of the ingredients (and their percentages) on the report. We do want to mark out at least the percentages. When we do, Johnson Creek will post PDF's of the reports (granted, it might look like something out of the Watergate investigation, but it will show the salient points and the safety findings)."

Here - Eliquid suppliers

Thanks Kate.

Magus,

I am using Janty's Juice and Jane's Kick juice.

The post from christian is almost a month ago (3+ weeks) and still nothing to show for it.

Chinese liquid MUST pass some sort of health inspection. Granted these are chinese, but something is better than nothing. China also has huge manufacturing plants that have to abide by certain health codes just like here in the usa.

What facility is JC's being made?

[MagusSteele]

Just think if we are going to hold JC to such high standards, we should do the same for all the juice companys.
I am sure the ones we all know, would be willing to help or answer what ever they can.

The Home brew companys, (JC, Wicked, Janes, so on, all included) I dont think CAN get some of those documents. I know it would be hard for me to get a certification from the board of health here, if they have no idea what the thing is.
I know I personally couldnt afford an independant lab test and risk assessment study. Some of the big drug companys cant afford those things.

Anyway, forget I said anything, lets see what Mac says.
*and thanks Kate for the links, makes it easier to find the other documents.

Edit* the chinese companys have "certain health codes " sure, but do they watch or follow them? Baby food and milk, and toys all have those standards too, but everyday in the news they are recalling something that passed those codes and are killing some kid.

[CaSHMeRe]

The Home brew companys, (JC, Wicked, Janes, so on, all included) I dont think CAN get some of those documents. I know it would be hard for me to get a certification from the board of health here, if they have no idea what the thing is.

Magus ... my man ... Check your facts . Wicked juice and Janes juice are NOT homebrews. Neither are my own, just an FYI. Any Juice or ELiquid on the market at this time are ALL made in a Chinese Manufacturing Plant (Minus JC Juice of course)

Edit* the chinese companys have "certain health codes " sure, but do they watch or follow them? Baby food and milk, and toys all have those standards too, but everyday in the news they are recalling something that passed those codes and are killing some kid.

Keyword ... At least they are RECALLING them. Would you prefer to have at least SOME health code certifications or none at all? Your argument is null and void unless you are sitting there watching someone in the manufacturing plant through every step of the process. If you aren't doing this, health code certifications are the only thing allowing us to see (what some perceive) as at least abiding by some type of standard.

[Kate]

"...thanks Kate for the links, makes it easier to find the other documents."

You're welcome. You may have to follow links within the ingredients topic to find the information from Pillbox.

There is also a link to a toxicology report on Supersmoker products and the Ruyan tests on this thread - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...formation.html

[karenwest1961]

Edit* the chinese companys have "certain health codes " sure, but do they watch or follow them? Baby food and milk, and toys all have those standards too, but everyday in the news they are recalling something that passed those codes and are killing some kid.

As Cash says, yes...they are recalling the items. And yes, there are still problems. But hell is being paid for that right now.

But is this an excuse for Mac not to produce a safety report? Or does the fact that things slipped through the cracks give other companies a free ride? Is it really an excuse to tolerate this behavior? I would think it would encourage us to ask questions of our manufacturers.

[MagusSteele]

Your right Cash, maybe i should have just said smaller distributors then.

The only reason they recall those items is because they got caught. I imagine the people who did get caught got shot soon after in china too, hehe

The health codes are fine, we just have no idea what those codes are, or should be.

I forgot the name of the hasmat reports that companies need to have on file, but i can show you some for fog juice, that says its perfectly fine to inhale, but i sure wouldnt want to smoke it.
Also, I am almost afraid to get ANY government agency involved. first the board of health, next the Taxman, then before we know it, the parliment/congress are trying to ban it because they are not getting high enough kick backs

Anyway, Like i said before, lets see what Mac has to say, and we each can continue to watch over the companys that sell juice, and report our experinces to the rest of us.

[karenwest1961]

I think I'm going to repost those questions in the health forum. Maybe they will be taken seriously and not debated.

Anybody have any questions to add, can you post them there?