Warning: Johnson creek e-liquid

**ZambucaLu** · 03-08-2009, 07:55 PM

I've been checking back to see if there's an answer about the green juice. What a waste of time!

Lu

**Vapor** · 03-10-2009, 12:03 AM

Sorry guys but no matter how much you defend JC i will never buy juice from them even if they are "made in America". First it clogged atomizers....like another forum member said "imagine what it would do to your lungs". Now the liquid turning green?? I have never heard of such thing!!! Maybe it turns green because it turns into poison even if you inhale it.

I also want to know where JC is creating his juice and i want to know a little background on him too. After all he DOES advertise his juice being different AND of higher quality from the "cheap Chinese".

But you see, the "cheap Chinese" have all the machinery, technology and knowledge to provide us with safe clean high quality liquid (DO YOU JC?) . Now it just depends on WHAT "cheap Chinese" is running the factory. People like Pillbox get lab tests for their liquid and they concluded that THEIR provider is pretty safe. I do not claim in any way that ALL Chinese liquids are safe but it is just downright racism to call all Chinese liquids cheap and bad.

On another note i love Puresmoker's E-Juice. Steve if you are reading this can you also get a lab report for your liquids if you havent already done so? If you get a lab report im sure that people will be happy and will buy from you without the tiniest amount of doubt. I mean since Totally Wicked got one i feel really safe buying their E-juice and vaping it once it arrives. Your e-juice however, i love it, but theres no lab report......would you please get one?

**Keef** · 03-10-2009, 12:22 AM

I dont think anyone is defending JC they are just stating facts as they know them , as you have done.

What is viewed safe is subjective.

It is one thing knowing something is perceived safe, not knowing if it will still be safe when combined with x - y - z an inhailed is another matter.

The more reports and studies the better , but accept we are the guniepigs for now and that is that.

The choice - Take your chances or stop vaping.

**Nuck** · 03-10-2009, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Vapor

But you see, the "cheap Chinese" have all the machinery, technology and knowledge to provide us with safe clean high quality liquid (DO YOU JC?) . Now it just depends on WHAT "cheap Chinese" is running the factory. People like Pillbox get lab tests for their liquid and they concluded that THEIR provider is pretty safe. I do not claim in any way that ALL Chinese liquids are safe but it is just downright racism to call all Chinese liquids cheap and bad.

We're all running a bit blind here BUT there is a very big difference between product safety in North America and product safety in China. There will always be accidents or sloppy handling or even just plain bad luck but the image of Chinese products has taken a well deserved hit recently.

We're not talking accidents here, we're talking about a LARGE number of suppliers who intentionally poisoned baby formula that sickened over 60000 babies, all for a few pennies. It's not racist to point out how horrible the record is of safety in Chinese products. I won't mention the endless string of other gross violations in recent years.

In the end we all make our choices, but to try and claim the Chinese have safe clean high quality liquid is pretty damn ridiculous.

**Keef** · 03-10-2009, 12:46 AM

Well I think having the death penalty as a possibility if you poison people will make most think twice.
Or I hope it does.

There will always be that % of people who dont give a damn who they hurt to make a buck and they are not restricted to China , every country on the planet has its greedy scumbags .

Was tempted to have a rant about GM crops here but I think I will pass.

**MAD 69** · 03-10-2009, 01:05 AM

Its simple, don't drip onto the atomizer. I think dripping kills atomizers. Use the carts the way they are supposed to be used and leave the dripping to people who like to destroy their atomizers. It has nothing to do with the juice, any juice will kill ecig parts if you continue dripping.

**Vapor** · 03-10-2009, 01:28 AM

Keef- Its true that what is viewed safe is subjective. Most of use have viewed E-cigs as safer than analogs thus we keep vaping. I have not had any major side effects so far. I have been vaping for about 2-3 weeks now. Some symptoms i get is the usual dry mouth from the nic. Also when i vape too much and for too long, i get a nice buzz. and finally when i vape for too long i get hungry!!! I also wish there were more scientific studies made on these things.

Nuck- "there is a very big difference between product safety in North America and product safety in China" i cannot agree with such statement. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions and i respect you opinion but cannot agree with it in this context. Big American factories making food are in the most part safer than Chinese factories because WE know American regulation and we KNOW they have to follow said regulations. BUT we do not know how JC is creating the liquids!!!! Or even where!!! In fact we do not know anything about JC. Did he ever work in a Pharmaceutical company? Does he know what ingredients do what? What is his safety standards? Quality control? Knowledge?

For all we know he might just be creating his liquids in his basement and you know how dirty are basements....

The point is that he is making some big statements about his liquid being better, of higher quality and cleaner than "made in China". But to me it seems otherwise after all the complaints about his product in this forum.

The truth of the matter is that we are all vaping in good faith. We have not seen how the Chinese make the liquids either but at the same time there has been no complains about them either.

Using my knowledge about the Chinese factories i have seen personally working, mostly noodles because my dad's in that business so we get machines from China, i deem them pretty safe IF the right person is in charge. "IF" being the keyword here because the people that were in charge of those Chinese baby formulas were bastards and probably knowing the Chinese, they have been shot and the bullet casing and cost sent to their families.

As i said Totally Wicked has had their liquids checked for any poisons and it came out to be pretty safe. This is the reason im asking Steve to also get a lab report for his liquids.

I in no way will say that ALL Chinese liquids are safe or clean for that matter. BUT they DO have the "machinery, technology and knowledge to provide us with safe clean high quality liquid"

Please do not take this statement out of context. It means just that and nothing more. However "safe" is subjective. We do not know what the long term effect of vaping will do to us. Maybe i should take out the word "safe" out of there.

My personal decree if you might call it is to buy liquids that have no problems. I will always be a Totally Wicked costumer because they deserve my money. They have done tests to provide us vapers more peace of mind while vaping their products ( i have not tested them yet, cant wait till they get here) and i love the Cash liquids but theres no lab tests done. Hence i want Steve to get a lab test for his liquid so that i can continue to buy from him. Until he gets a lab test done, i dont think i will be buying all that much from him. From what i DO buy from him, i KNOW i will be taking risks but that would be my own choice like many of you are vaping JC liquids.

In the end i guess its just that i want new vapers to know that if you buy liquids from JC and to a certain extend Steve and other retailers that you know the risks of not knowing whats in it.

I would certainly request Totally Wicked to not only do one lab test and be happy. But to do a lab test every month or every other month just to check for safety. So when the governments comes knocking....you can tell them to gtfo, i dont need you incompetence, i have been taking the safety of my products in my own hands.

sorry for the long rant

**Vapor** · 03-10-2009, 01:36 AM

Mad69- I do not think dripping in the atomizer kills it. I think as long as you only drop like 2 drops in there (when it needs it) and not over fill it choking the device it should not be killing atomizers. In a way by dripping in the atomizer, we are keeping the atomizers lubricated. But i could be wrong so dont take my word for it.